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Tilopa wrote:Here is a thoughtful and intelligent essay on lamas and sexual abuse:
http://mahayanadharma.wordpress.com/201 ... -the-lama/
Andrew108 wrote:Lamas who are conditioned by both appearances and circumstances do not hold genuine realization. In terms of the karmamudra argument - this is a false argument since both parties have to be of the same realization for the practice to work. It's a practice for spiritual equals.
My view is that if the Lama wants to take desire to the path then great. But it is not actions of desire that are taken to the path it's thoughts and feelings of desire. There is a big difference. So basically there is never a valid reason for a teacher to have sex with a student.
Andrew108 wrote:deepbluehum wrote:Two words: Padmasambhava/Mandarava
Two words: Sogyal / Rinpoche
Simon E. wrote:Until the court case...
Its exploitation pure and simple.
No different to any other dirty old man who takes advantage.
Andrew108 wrote:If the consort has no realization then it's just ordinary sexual activity. The student must be sufficiently awakened and the teacher must know that. Also the consort must have as much knowledge about the practice as the teacher has. If there is a claim of exploitation then you can be sure that it was ordinary sexual activity. If there is a command to secrecy then you can be sure that it was ordinary sexual activity.
Andrew108 wrote: In terms of the karmamudra argument...both parties have to be of the same realization for the practice to work. It's a practice for spiritual equals.
Norwegian wrote:What's the problem with ordinary sex between two consenting adults?
Simon E. wrote:Norwegian wrote:What's the problem with ordinary sex between two consenting adults?
The nature of the relationship is unequal, its about power and therefore can never be truly consensual any more than it would be between a student and a college professor.
Simon E. wrote:No.
There are a range of possibilities other than celibacy or bonking their students.
They might actually have to work at a relationship for example...Like Ato Rinpoche or Chime Rinpoche or nowadays Sogyal Rinpoche.
You know, treat the woman or man as a human being rather than a conduit for their little trip.
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