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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:58 pm

deepbluehum wrote: We need to counter this with the brightness of spirituality. Many on this forum, myself including, have a dour view of the world. I feel like this is wrong. It's time to be inspiring.


The greater the depth of darkness, the brighter mere sparks seem.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby deepbluehum » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:01 pm

Malcolm wrote:
deepbluehum wrote: We need to counter this with the brightness of spirituality. Many on this forum, myself including, have a dour view of the world. I feel like this is wrong. It's time to be inspiring.


The greater the depth of darkness, the brighter mere sparks seem.


I can't tell if this is nice or morbid.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:28 pm

deepbluehum wrote:I can't tell if this is nice or morbid.



It's morbidly nice ?
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Kunga Lhadzom » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:35 pm

In other words....the more dark it is,
the faintest light will be visable
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby deepbluehum » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:04 pm

Let's brighten it up:

In the vast darkness of space, every little twinkle is a star.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:21 am

deepbluehum wrote:All provocations are ultimately internal. I feel like I honed in on it. The theme that keeps coming up in the media is a longing for apocalypse. All the themes of randomness and ambiguity are feeding into a longing for disorder and chaos. It's a giant social death wish. We need to counter this with the brightness of spirituality. Many on this forum, myself including, have a dour view of the world. I feel like this is wrong. It's time to be inspiring.


Best to be honest about the situation. We live in times of great decline.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby dharmagoat » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:06 am

Huseng wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:All provocations are ultimately internal. I feel like I honed in on it. The theme that keeps coming up in the media is a longing for apocalypse. All the themes of randomness and ambiguity are feeding into a longing for disorder and chaos. It's a giant social death wish. We need to counter this with the brightness of spirituality. Many on this forum, myself including, have a dour view of the world. I feel like this is wrong. It's time to be inspiring.

Best to be honest about the situation. We live in times of great decline.

We need to be realistic too. While some things are in decline, other things are flourishing, while many things continue as they were. A balanced view avoids the extremes of dark pessimism and giddy optimism. Neither state is useful.

We each do what we can to bring about positive trends within our own sphere of influence. No need to project into the future (unless, of course, this is a role we are appointed to).
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby deepbluehum » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:08 am

Huseng wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:All provocations are ultimately internal. I feel like I honed in on it. The theme that keeps coming up in the media is a longing for apocalypse. All the themes of randomness and ambiguity are feeding into a longing for disorder and chaos. It's a giant social death wish. We need to counter this with the brightness of spirituality. Many on this forum, myself including, have a dour view of the world. I feel like this is wrong. It's time to be inspiring.


Best to be honest about the situation. We live in times of great decline.


Honestly, the negativity is the cause of the decline. Best not to feed into it.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:25 am

deepbluehum wrote:Honestly, the negativity is the cause of the decline. Best not to feed into it.


Positive thinking won't solve our environmental problems or put oil back into the ground.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:28 am

dharmagoat wrote:We each do what we can to bring about positive trends within our own sphere of influence. No need to project into the future (unless, of course, this is a role we are appointed to).


Better to see what horrid mess samsara is and develop disgust for it.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:24 am

Huseng wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:Honestly, the negativity is the cause of the decline. Best not to feed into it.


Positive thinking won't solve our environmental problems or put oil back into the ground.


Negative thinking won't do it either.
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Sönam » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:04 am

If it stays at the level of thinking, it won't produce anything ...

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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby dharmagoat » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:29 am

Huseng wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:We each do what we can to bring about positive trends within our own sphere of influence. No need to project into the future (unless, of course, this is a role we are appointed to).

Better to see what horrid mess samsara is and develop disgust for it.

Seriously? Cultivate aversion?
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:11 pm

dharmagoat wrote:
Huseng wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:We each do what we can to bring about positive trends within our own sphere of influence. No need to project into the future (unless, of course, this is a role we are appointed to).

Better to see what horrid mess samsara is and develop disgust for it.

Seriously? Cultivate aversion?


Aversion for samsara is generally beneficial for us unliberated folks.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby dharmagoat » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:58 pm

Huseng wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:
Huseng wrote:Better to see what horrid mess samsara is and develop disgust for it.

Seriously? Cultivate aversion?

Aversion for samsara is generally beneficial for us unliberated folks.

Isn't attraction/aversion to samsara what prevents our liberation, and so gets us into this kind of mess?
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby deepbluehum » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Huseng wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:Honestly, the negativity is the cause of the decline. Best not to feed into it.


Positive thinking won't solve our environmental problems or put oil back into the ground.


Neither will pouting, but having an positive attitude can give you the energy to solve the problems. Our perceptions are interpretive. And those interpretations are are interdependent with the conditions of the world. Science acknowledges this. If you see failure, that is what will happen.
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Discussion on Aversion

Postby deepbluehum » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:09 pm

Huseng wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:We each do what we can to bring about positive trends within our own sphere of influence. No need to project into the future (unless, of course, this is a role we are appointed to).


Better to see what horrid mess samsara is and develop disgust for it.


Thinking in terms of black and white is what ignorant people do.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:54 am

deepbluehum wrote:
Thinking in terms of black and white is what ignorant people do.


If you can find benefits to samsara, then by all means share them.
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby Indrajala » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:55 am

dharmagoat wrote:Isn't attraction/aversion to samsara what prevents our liberation, and so gets us into this kind of mess?



Isn't desire what perpetuates the twelve links of dependent origination, thus resulting in uncontrolled involuntary rebirths?
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Re: Large random shooting in Colorado

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:04 am

Huseng wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
Thinking in terms of black and white is what ignorant people do.


If you can find benefits to samsara, then by all means share them.


Samsara's not out there. It's in you.
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