Question about rainbow bodies

[Rakz]

Do rainbow bodies such as Padmasambhava and others ever achieve parinirvana in which they permanently put an end to helping sentient beings in this universe and the next and so on?

[Josef]

no

[Rakz]

no

Just found this quote by Malcolm.

im confused about where the samyak sambuddhas(rainbow bodies) are during the basis-bardo.

Parinirvana without any remainder.

Seems to be contradicting what you're saying.

[Thomas Amundsen]

no

Just found this quote by Malcolm.

im confused about where the samyak sambuddhas(rainbow bodies) are during the basis-bardo.

Parinirvana without any remainder.

Seems to be contradicting what you're saying.

This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.

[kirtu]

Do rainbow bodies such as Padmasambhava and others ever achieve parinirvana in which they permanently put an end to helping sentient beings in this universe and the next and so on?

Rainbow body is a form of Buddhahood and Buddhas never end helping sentient beings.

Kirt

[Rakz]

This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.

So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?

[Thomas Amundsen]

This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.

So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?

I think it's more like: there is no universe for buddhas to arise in, so they don't appear during that time period.

[Rakz]

This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.

So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?

I think it's more like: there is no universe for buddhas to arise in, so they don't appear during that time period.

So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?

[Josef]

So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?

no

[Pema Rigdzin]

So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?

My take is that the real Buddha is the dharmakaya... it is uncompounded and beyond existing, not existing, both, or neither, so there can be no talk of it dwelling here or there or at this or that time... When there are beings to be tamed, the rupakaya appears accordingly. When there are no beings to be tamed, the rupakaya emanations dissolve back into the nature within which they arose.

Also, "samsaric realms" vs "non-samsaric realms" is a distinction that occurs in the minds of ordinary beings like you and I, not a Buddha's wisdom mind. We have not yet transcended ideas of pure and impure, so we imagine that there could be some portions of reality that are "samsara" and others that are "Buddhafields". But in reality it's not like that.

[Rakz]

So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?

My take is that the real Buddha is the dharmakaya... it is uncompounded and beyond existing, not existing, both, or neither, so there can be no talk of it dwelling here or there or at this or that time... When there are beings to be tamed, the rupakaya appears accordingly. When there are no beings to be tamed, the rupakaya emanations dissolve back into the nature within which they arose.

Also, "samsaric realms" vs "non-samsaric realms" is a distinction that occurs in the minds of ordinary beings like you and I, not a Buddha's wisdom mind. We have not yet transcended ideas of pure and impure, so we imagine that there could be some portions of reality that are "samsara" and others that are "Buddhafields". But in reality it's not like that.

Now this makes sense. Thank you.

[Rinchen Dorje]

heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?

[heart]

heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?

Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.

/magnus

[Malcolm]

heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?

Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.

/magnus

JKW was an emanation, not a reincarnation, technically speaking.

Likewise, Vimalamitra is supposed to manifest an emanation every one hundred years or so. My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa was an emantion of Vimalamitra, etc.

[Rakz]

heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?

Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.

/magnus

JKW was an emanation, not a reincarnation, technically speaking.

Is Chogyal Namkhai Norbu an emanation or reincarnation?