The reason im not Theravada

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:46 am

The issue here does not have to be, needs not be, one versus the other.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby alan » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:58 am

Maybe it's just my fault-- I always like to look at the evidence from a rational standpoint and make the best decision based on logic.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby Vepacitta » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:08 pm

Like many in the "Theravadin World", I came to it via the Mahayana - that is - Chan or Zen world. Ever since my brother through that book of Zen Koans at me when I was 13.

The Zen and Chan teachings always seemed - well - faintly ridiculous to me. Too "lotusy", too superstitious, too 'magical'.

It was only when I bumped into the teachings of Ajahn Sumedho that it made sense - rational, logical, very down-to-earth non-lotusy - that Buddhism 'made sense" to me. Then it was off to Ven AJ. Chah, the Pali Canon, Ven Bodhi, etc etc etc and so forth.

But, aside from the beautiful gathas written by various Chan/Zen Bikshus and Bikshunis and my tendency to "speak" here in an informal sorta-zen-like way, I really don't have any "ken" for "zen". It never spoke to me.

It's too bad the Nagas didn't keep those sutras locked up - I told my pet Naga Binky not to give the key to anyone! :lol:

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:36 pm

So it was Binky !

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby Vepacitta » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:36 pm

Yes, I'm afraid it was Binky who was the culprit. That's the reason why we Asuras are stuck in the middle of the ocean I'm afraid ...

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby Skeptic » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:17 pm

From my point of view, Mahayanist criticism of Theravada makes no sense at all. When western non-Buddhist scholars first studied Buddhism, their description of Theravada was "Buddhism", description of Mahayana was "Mahayanist sects", and description of Tibetan Buddhism was "Lamaism". Almost all modern non-Buddhist scholars think that Theravada is closest to the teachings of historical Buddha, it can be found even in non-Buddhist Encyclopedia articles. I think this is just the way it is, because there is no reason for western scholars to be engaged in some kind of anti-Mahayana conspiracy.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby alan » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:24 am

Really? Seems willfully obtuse.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:39 am

Greetings Alan,

Actually, I think it's quite to the point.

With incorrect assumptions, anyone could correctly use logic to get to an incorrect outcome. That relationships are logical is insufficient to conclude their result is correct, let alone (what is arguably more relevant in a Dhammic sense) beneficial.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby lojong1 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:01 am

I like it too. I can't stop myself.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby alan » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:17 am

Logical people do not make incorrect assumptions.

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Re: The reason im not Theravada

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:22 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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