Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

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Postby pueraeternus » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:46 pm

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby seeker242 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:28 pm

One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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Postby Greg_the_poet » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:15 am

I get the feeling that most of the people replying on this thread are not soto zen practitioners, if they were I'm not sure they'd be such a defensive stance over literal re-birth.
I think I may stick to Zen forum international. This site doesn't seem to be helpful to my Zen practice.

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Indrajala » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:00 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Postby Indrajala » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:29 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Astus » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:37 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Astus » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:23 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Greg_the_poet » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Whether or not Buddha taught rebirth, I don't care. Whether or not Buddha believed in rebirth, I don't care, and if that means I have a "wrong view" I still don't care. I believe in my own experience, and I'm pretty sure Buddha taught this above anything else.
I share the sentiments of the Zen master who said 'I'm not a Dead Zen master' when asked about what happens after we die. I also share the sentiments of some Zen teachers who say that just because Buddha "Attained" enlightenment, that didn't mean he was some perfect, super human, infallible person like a lot of Buddhists seem to think. To even suggest that would put Buddha on a plateau of a God.

"If you see the Buddha, kill the Buddha"

"In the begginers mind there are many possibilities, in the experts mind there are few."

To me it seems we have far too many experts here.

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Indrajala » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:34 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Postby Indrajala » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:12 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

Postby Greg_the_poet » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:34 pm

You seem to have an answer to everything don't you? Me and this site are finished. There's no room for independent thought here.

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Re: Soto-zen, Dogen and reincarnation

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tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |


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