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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:22 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:33 pm

Nathan read Darwins Book the origin of species, it is how life came to be (as it is now).
creationism starts with a story and tries to prove it, science starts with an idea sometimes a story and sees if the evidence is there to support it.

evolution has nothing to do with how it started but how it progressed, Abiogenesis looks for how it began.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:33 pm

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby cooran » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:52 pm

Hello clw-uk, all,

I think you would have to wait until scientists do state that they have disproved something the Buddha taught as essential to the Dhamma (Things as They Really Are).

To your knowledge, in over 2500 years ... has science done so with any essential part of the Teachings? If you put up something maybe we can look at it.

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:59 pm

Hi Chris

No i dont think it has and i personally think that there is a great furture is in store for buddhism and science


I dont really see any threat in modern science to Buddhism at all, not even from materialism or physicalism (ive never understood why these are considered threats to buddhism by some) since if these are true i still think the Buddhadhamma wouldnt lose any of its effectiveness, i see the Buddhadhamma as perfectly compatible with many scientific understandings (since both are concerned with reality)

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:07 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:22 am

I hold evolution in the same light as gravity, pretty much a fundemental fact of the universe


Or am i being dogmatic by asserting that gravity cant be disputed?
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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:30 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby AdvaitaJ » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:41 am

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby green » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:06 am

Would you reconsider scientific knowledge if what you observe and know through Buddhist practice is correct and you find that it is currently unknowable through science?

Let's put the shoe on the other foot.

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:13 am

For your scientific enjoyment:
:coffee:

How To Think About Science
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/science/index.html

If science is neither cookery, nor angelic virtuosity, then what is it?
Modern societies have tended to take science for granted as a way of knowing, ordering and controlling the world. Everything was subject to science, but science itself largely escaped scrutiny. This situation has changed dramatically in recent years. Historians, sociologists, philosophers and sometimes scientists themselves have begun to ask fundamental questions about how the institution of science is structured and how it knows what it knows. David Cayley talks to some of the leading lights of this new field of study.

For the downloadable podcast versions of the series visit CBC Podcasting. To order the complete, 24-part series in print or audio visit the CBC Shop website.

Schedule

Episode 1 - Steven Shapin and Simon Schaffer
Episode 2 - Lorraine Daston
Episode 3 - Margaret Lock
Episode 4 - Ian Hacking and Andrew Pickering
Episode 5 - Ulrich Beck and Bruno Latour
Episode 6 - James Lovelock
Episode 7 - Arthur Zajonc
Episode 8 - Wendell Berry
Episode 9 - Rupert Sheldrake
Episode 10 - Brian Wynne
Episode 11 - Sajay Samuel
Episode 12 - David Abram
Episode 13 - Dean Bavington
Episode 14 - Evelyn Fox Keller
Episode 15 - Barbara Duden and Silya Samerski
Episode 16 - Steven Shapin
Episode 17 - Peter Galison
Episode 18 - Richard Lewontin
Episode 19 - Ruth Hubbard
Episode 20 - Michael Gibbons, Peter Scott, & Janet Atkinson Grosjean
Episode 21 -Christopher Norris and Mary Midgely
Episode 22 - Allan Young
Episode 23 - Lee Smolin
Episode 24 - Nicholas Maxwell
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Ravana » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:28 am

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:49 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Ravana » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:09 am

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:01 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:33 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:59 am

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Re: Views and beliefs

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