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My latest theory: No stationary self

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My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby dhammapal » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:37 am

I've developed a new theory in response to no-self teachings which I misinterpreted as meaning that people were like ghosts arising and passing away which contributed to many years of mental illness.

In my Yahoo Group post I mentioned my latest theory that people do exist (are alive out there wanting to be happy as intensely as we do) but they are “on the move” (even with one's own person one can't sit still without breathing.) The dictionary definition of “move” is to change location. Doesn't this comply with the teachings on impermanence? They are also “on the feed” which complies with the teachings on the .

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby Ben » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:41 am

Hi Dhammapal,

I don't understand this need to develop a 'theory'. Any theory you develop will have as its base ignorance and miccha-ditthi. If you want to develop sammaditthi and develop real knowledge, then develop continuity of sila, samadhi and panna.
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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:03 am

The Buddha in the Sabbasava sutta, instructs his disciples not to go around thinking 'do I exist, don't I exist' etc buy rather to overcome suffering by applying the four noble truths to your current suffering. To do that we know when suffering has arisen- then look for the cause - then remove the cause and watch that suffering disappear. Then akbowledge the path which took you there (including advice you may have taken to get there).

Hope that helps.

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby andre9999 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:23 pm

Your theory strikes me as a distraction from observing and understanding your regret about how you treated people who've since died.

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:23 pm

:goodpost:
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby dhammapal » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:31 pm

Thanks for the replies. Yes I am familiar with the idea of viewing experience in terms of the Four Noble Truths instead of self/other, being/non-being. But the Four Noble Truths are the most advanced teaching on the gradual training and I was looking for a stable, commonsense world-view in order to do things like hold down a job.

As for to what extent people exist out there, I just had the idea that the dukkha of separation from the loved doesn't just mean that they have died but also covers temporary separation.

With metta / dhammapal.






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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

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With metta,
zavk

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Re: My latest theory: No stationary self

Postby dhammapal » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:05 am

My no stationary self theory was an unsuccessful attempt to explain the mystery of life's unfolding, the mystery of not being able to even pin down the reality of one person (see ). I had the view that the number of beings in samsara was constant, because one being couldn't be reborn as two etc. Now I'm thinking that by letting go of clinging to views about the existence of the mass of humanity when there is one person in front of me I can give them my full attention, content with the richness and profundity of direct experience.

With metta / dhammapal.







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