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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:42 pm

Its certainly not my cup of tea Anna....but it might be more than simply a matter of taste.
I think it dilutes a radical aspect of the Buddhas teaching.
But I am also aware that because TNH's style does nothing for me that I might be missing something.
Hence my asking what the pedigree of this concept is when viewed from a Classical Theravada pov.

I can see that it could be extrapolated from Mahayana teachings like "Buddha Nature ", which is I suspect its actual origin, but I cannot see a relationship to the Theravada.
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Re: Interbeing ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:05 pm

So at what point Geoff did this rather beautiful metaphor start to be seen as a concrete reality ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:26 pm

4.& 5. "Whatever living beings there may be — feeble or strong (or the seekers and the attained) long, stout, or of medium size, short, small, large, those seen or those unseen, those dwelling far or near, those who are born as well as those yet to be born — may all beings have happy minds.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .piya.html

Name-and-form
"'From consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-and-form.' Thus it has been said. And this is the way to understand how from consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-and-form. If consciousness were not to descend into the mother's womb, would name-and-form take shape in the womb?"

"No, lord."

"If, after descending into the womb, consciousness were to depart, would name-and-form be produced for this world?"
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

'Yes, master, we know how there is the descent of an embryo. There is the case where the mother & father have come together, the mother is fertile, and a gandhabba [the being about to be reborn] is standing present. The coming together of these three is the descent of the embryo.'

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

I think it can be debated either way. Who is to say there is a being now, much less in-between.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby alan » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:42 pm

The idea os TNH's baby.
My guess is that people who get into it don't care that it has no basis in the suttas.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby cooran » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:54 pm

There are 86 posts here on Thich Nhat Hanh: Dependant Co-arising & Inter-Being
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5460
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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:03 pm

Thanks for the link Chris, That thread as I read it comes from a different angle i.e, A Mahayanist looking for commonality, I was rather interested in any support for the idea of Interbeing from the POV of the Canon.
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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby cooran » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:27 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:38 pm

Thats interesting ...... :anjali:

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:33 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:00 pm

Greetings,

My readings mirror Ben's and I do not believe the example provided earlier by kirk5 on this/that conditionality correlates with interbeing either.

The main difference is that in Classical Theravada, dependent origination applies only to a single life-continuum. Interbeing is a bit more like the butterfly effect - therefore, vastly different.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby phil » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:13 am

I've always felt that Anguttara VIII,39 with its teaching that when one abstains from breaking the precepts one "gives to immeasurable beings freedom from fear, freedom from hostility, freedom from oppression...and by giving to immeasurable beings freedom from fear, hostility and oppression, he himself will enjoy immeasurable freedom from fear, hostility and oppression" suggests a kind of interbeingness, and I find that reflecting on this teaching is one of them most powerful conditioning factors that I personally know for abstention. But I could easily be misinterpreting the sutta.



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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby lojong1 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:26 am

Straight lines parallel to the same straight line are also parallel to one another.
Theravadins can observe sunshine, rain, and crop growth, and speak about them in dhamma talks, hopefully for some greater purpose.
"This being so, that is..." is an interbeing-chain-bare-bones-D.O., and the '12-link' interbeing-chain-one-life-many-life-literal-yada-D.O. is one specific example--the one that buddha was most concerned with.

Nidana Sutta: "Just as when seeds are not broken, not rotten, not damaged by wind & heat, capable of sprouting, well-buried, planted in well-prepared soil, and the rain-god would offer good streams of rain; those seeds would thus come to growth, increase, & abundance..." hold on...none of that is Theravadin why? :shrug:

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:44 am

It IS Theravadin. What is perhaps less so is the idea that the Nidanas reduce to some a priori shining cosmic custard that constitutes our "real nature"...

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Re: Interbeing ?

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