Yangzab and Chokling tersar

[roman]

I know their is alot of people here that can tell me more on both of these profound termas. Padmasambhava given to King Trisong Deutsen's son, Murub Tsepo.

Chokling Tersar was founded by Chokgyur Lingpa is the owner of seven transmissions and is regarded as the universal monarch of all tertöns. One of the reasons for this is that no other tertön has revealed a teaching that includes the Space Section (Longdey) of Dzogchen. There are several Mind Section (Semdey) revelations and all major tertöns have revealed the Instruction Section (Menngakdey), but only Chokgyur Lingpa transmitted the Space Section. This is why the Dzogchen Desum is considered the most extraordinary terma that he ever revealed.

The Yangzab was given to Murub Tsepo by Padmasambhava because, Murub Tsepo found that his fathers duties were were so numerous that he had little time to practice Dharma. Guru Rinpoche foresaw a time in the future when the teachings of dharma would degenerate due to the increasing power of ignorance and afflictive emotions in the minds of sentient beings. Guru Rinpoche gave the teachings of the "Very Profound " (Yang Zab) - practices that he received through Kuntungzangpo (dharmakaya), the 100 peaceful and wrathful deities and the 5 buddha families (sambhogakaya), and from Tulku Garab Dorje (nirmanakaya). Prophesizing that these teachings would be most effective in future times of spiritual darkness, he gave the teachings to Mandarava, who attained rainbow body, and to Yeshe Tsogyal. Guru Rinpoche instructed him to put the practice into text form and prepare six copies on durable sheets of gold, turquoise, copper and other materials. was wrapped in precious materials and hidden by Yeshe Tsogyal in Zhoto Terdrom on the limestone massif to the north in the Great Assembly Hall of the Sky Dancers cave (Yangzab).
Yangzab was found in the 1600's and Chokling was found in the 1800's.

So was Chokling tersar was realized by Murub Tsepo after practicing Yangzab that Padmasambha gave to him to practice? There seems to be a lot of differences between these two termas. As i know that other people are familiar with these two practices, could you explaining more of these two profound Terma.

[Malcolm]

but only Chokgyur Lingpa transmitted the Space Section.

Until Chogyal Namkhai Norbu-- and his klong sde is much more detailed than the klong sde section in the sde gsum.

[heart]

So was Chokling tersar was realized by Murub Tsepo after practicing Yangzab that Padmasambha gave to him to practice? There seems to be a lot of differences between these two termas. As i know that other people are familiar with these two practices, could you explaining more of these two profound Terma.

Chokling Tersar contain many volumes of teachings and practices I am pretty sure it is the same with Yangzab. So it is quite difficult to compare them. You can practice from both of them or just one of them and be fully satisfied. The Chokling Tersar contains numerous complete teachings, with complete I mean enough to attain enlightenment in one life.

/magnus

[roman]

Until Chogyal Namkhai Norbu-- and his klong sde is much more detailed than the klong sde section in the sde gsum.

What about the klong sde section in the yangzab? Isn't being clear subjective, or is it that much clearer?

The Chokling Tersar contains numerous complete teachings, with complete I mean enough to attain enlightenment in one life.

The Chokling is much larger then the yangzab. I would think that it would be "more complete".

So the Chokling was the princes realization after practicing the Yangzab, you would say? I'm not sure it is matters, it is simply a question.

[heart]

The Chokling Tersar contains numerous complete teachings, with complete I mean enough to attain enlightenment in one life.

The Chokling is much larger then the yangzab. I would think that it would be "more complete".

So the Chokling was the princes realization after practicing the Yangzab, you would say? I'm not sure it is matters, it is simply a question.

Not sure it works like that. Some Tertons see numerous Termas but don't take out anything. Sometimes certain auspicious coincidence are necessary for the Terma to be revealed, like a special consort or something like that. Some Termas can only be relived within a limited time frame and so on. Also one third of the Chokling Tersar belongs to one Terma, the Tukdrub Barche Kunsel (which is very big with a lot of auxiliary teachings and sadhanas). If you are interested you should read Tulku Thondrup book on Termas, it is great. Also "Life of Chokgyur Lingpa" http://www.rangjung.com/authors/Chokgyu ... a_Life.pdf and somewhere there is Namcho Mingyur Dorje also avaibale for download somewhere (can't find it right now) and probably some other Terton life story (Dujom Lingpas life story was just published).

/magnus

[Malcolm]

Until Chogyal Namkhai Norbu-- and his klong sde is much more detailed than the klong sde section in the sde gsum.

What about the klong sde section in the yangzab? Isn't being clear subjective, or is it that much clearer?

There is no sems sde or klong sde in the yang zab.

[roman]

Malcolm-- would say them the Yang zab would not be complete? To me it sounds like no. Can you tell me more of the Yang zab....you have studied it under Lamkhyen Gyalpo Rinpoche, right?

[Malcolm]

Malcolm-- would say them the Yang zab would not be complete? To me it sounds like no. Can you tell me more of the Yang zab....you have studied it under Lamkhyen Gyalpo Rinpoche, right?

Yangzab is 98 percent sadhanas.

It really only has one or two actual Dzogchen texts. Yangzab is an appendix to Khandro Nyinthig and is meant to be practiced in conjunction with it.