Virgo wrote:This goes against the nature of man.
I'm sorry, but any such concept such as "the nature of man" (aside from sexist phrasing) is complete nonsense and is not supported by any Buddhist teaching.
Nice ploy. Oh perhaps Virgo is sexist then... uh no sorry. Very, very, very far from it. Ask all the women I know>
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Ironically (@virgo), it is the very argument that "it is the nature of man to use force" which is the argument from which fascism as a political ideology, which you object to, claimed its legitimacy. Look up Giovanni Gentile for more on this.
I agree fully. That is why this nation, which tried to establish a rule of law based on equality, and based on the opinions of the governed rather than solely on the opinion of the governers, has a military. You know, like a large part of the reason why we don't speak German today and why all people who don't fit Hitlers descriptions of the perfect race still exist.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:The so-called "nature" of beings in the human realm (man and woman) is not defined by the means, but by the ends:
Humans are plagued by a constant state of dissatisfaction (dukkha) which can manifest as anything from the desire for a hamburger to the need to convert others to a vegan diet, or the frustration one feels because people who call themselves Buddhist eat meat and this seems hypocritical,
Ignorance, attachment, and aversion are all separate, at least in the Abhidhamma that I learned. However, chittas rooted in attachment or aversion always arise with a root of ignorance as well.
Quite a few, if not most of the arguments used by vegetarians to illustrate why not eating meat is a wise choice are valid. It may be better for your health, better for the environment, and will separate one slightly from the slaughterhouse industry.
I believe meat is good for your health. I don't care about the slaughterhouse industry or distancing myself from it. To me that is all bs.
But the underlying cause for choosing either to eat meat or not eat meat is exactly the same:
One mistakenly clings onto the idea that choosing one or the other will lead to happiness and will free oneself (and perhaps others) from suffering. maybe it has to do with feeling well fed, or of having a clear conscience. Whatever.
There are a billion different reasons for the things people choose to do.
But the motivation, or the motivation behind one's motivation
is always the same./
honestly, my friend, I eat meat because it is what my body is used to. Sometimes it needs it. That's not evil.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Obviously, if millions of consumers stop buying beef (and you may remember when Oprah Winfrey's influence caused this to happen) or some other type of meat, it will have an impact on the market.
Dude, come back to reality. The only way that will happen is if the price of meat sky rockets.