gregkavarnos wrote:So am I.Tarpa wrote:Yes, that would be the ideal, utopic, however I was talking about this world.
I don't think anybody would call this world utopic, liberation from utopia wouldn't make much sense.
I really didn't want to go any further with my other statement because it kinda feels weird bringing it up but it's so blatantly obvious to anybody who looks into it that the disregard of it is strange. In my 10 tears of vajrayana study and practice I have always found it extremely hypocritical of the Buddhist establishment to claim it's all lighty lighty lovey lovey, or rather it may very well be ( though those practicing in the nighttime world of the yoginitantras may disagree, lol ), but tons of its " auxillary " practices are certainly not this way. The root tantras have rites by the ton, for killing humans and other beings and there's no room at all for putting some soteriological slant on these, they are obviously witchcraft, rites for the usual wants and desires of humans through all history, through all magical traditions, such as getting chicks, getting wealthy, getting rid of people. As I am also a practicing witch I can appreciate these and don't get squeemish or feel the need to ignore them or pretend they aren't there, someone once said here that famous occultists such as Crowley etc. should have just been Buddhists, lol, the wealth of witchcraft, substances, and magical material within tantric practice is absolutely staggering. And all this is completely ignored by Buddhists, lol. I understand of course the real purpose of practice is soteriological but the majority of material in some root tantras is not soteriological and these are teachings given us in these tantras so are they wrong ? Certainly to focus on such things and forget the real purpose of tantric practice is wrong. There are extensive pharmacopeias in some of these as well. I have always felt the hindus are much more honest about their abhicara, Buddhists seem to just completely ignore theirs and pretend it doesn't exist, seems a very timid, hypocritical approach to me. Point is there are violent rites by the truckload in the root tantras and these are Buddhist works so..............just sayin.