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Re: Phowa

Postby kirtu » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:17 pm

Pero wrote:That's becaues you don't actually eject your consciousness. Training is one thing, actually doing it another. There is a story in Norbu Rinpoche's book on Phowa about a nun that killed a marmot with phowa at the request of other nuns to display her power. She did it only after they promised they will do lots and lots of purification practices in a monastery afterwards.


I know a lama from Sikim (who I will not name) who said during a phowa retreat that sometimes tulkus will demonstrate phowa on insects as a test.

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Re: Phowa

Postby kirtu » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:27 pm

dzoki wrote:
Konchog1 wrote:
dzoki wrote:
And where do you get this from? There is a phowa in gcod practice. I don´t know that by practicing gcod I would go to hell. Also people train in phowa and I don´t think they would go to hell for doing that.
Page 210 in Glenn Mullin's translation of Lord Tsongkhapa's Book of Three Inspirations:
To transfer the consciousness out of the body prematurely is equivalent to suicide [...] if one holds the mantra precepts, then suicide is prohibited by the eighth root precept. One should know that to transgress it will result in rebirth in the hells
Furthermore, suicide is murder, the result of murder is hell, so one would go to hell with or without the precepts.


Sure, this is however exclusively gelug point of view.


No, it is taught in Sakya and Nyingma for sure as well.

I remember reading in Tsongkhapa´s Golden Key, that performing phowa entails killing the deities that reside in ones chakras and so is considered a very negative deed. But how can a deity be killed?


Performing phowa prematurely is like killing the deities because you're mind is the deities and you are prematurely ending your life intentionally.

There are several well known cases when yogis did phowa permaturely and I am sure they did not go to hell (Shechen Kongtrul is one example).


That is certainly problematic. I had also read of a Tibetan Arhat who had committed suicide by jumping off a building because the Chinese were about to kill him. I don't remember the source of this text though. I was startled to see a reference to a Tibetan Arhat actually. But the suicide was undetaken to keep the Chinese soldiers from reaping terrible negative karma. Perhaps it was the same motivation for Shechen Kongtrul and others?

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Re: Phowa

Postby alpha » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:46 pm

Would it still be problematic if one would decide to eject prematurely their conciousness -for whatever reason-while resting in rigpa?
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