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Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

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Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby AdvaitaJ » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:33 am

Greetings,

There was a recent thread here about an American who claimed to be an Arahant. Needless to say, lots of discussion ensued. What I took from that discussion though, was that person's clear unambiguous recommendation for Mahasi Sayadaw's Practical Insight Meditation. Given that time is so precious (and just in case the guy did accomplish something special), I decided to read it.

Well, the closest I could find was Mahasi Sayadaw's Satipatthana Vipassana on Access To Insight and it was a fascinating read. In a nutshell, it struck me that this method is all about continuous noting of whatever is most prevalent. My question to all is whether this practice is of benefit if not done 24x7 day-after-day as the text implies. I can adopt this style of practice for my daily commute and walking sessions, but I've still got to work with numerous people and computers throughout the day and just can't maintain it and still be effective at my job.

Comments?

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Re: Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:01 am

Most of those documents are summaries of talks to retreat attenders, so of course talk about 24/7 attention, and walking for an hour. Obviously not what one can do at home...

Personally, I've found the technique very effective. I have teachers here who trained in Thailand and Burma who give me practical advice, but I've learned a lot from on-line and paper references.

I have put some on-line references in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341

The books by U Pandida and Bante Sujiva have been particularly helpful.

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Re: Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:54 am

You can find on my website, along with many other valuable publications of the Mahāsī Sayādaw's teachings.

While working on computers and commuicating with people for your work, it is not feasible to be mindful of the realities at all times. You must work in the conceptual world to communicate effectively. However, there are many moments throughout a working day when you can pay attention to realities. When you hear the telephone ring, don't just pick it up immediately as you might normally do. Be mindful of “hearing“ for at two or three rings, then of “intending,” “reaching,” “touching,” and “lifting.” If you are annoyed by the interruption, then note “annoyed.” These few simple habits will relieve a great deal of stress, and enable you to pay full attention to what the caller has to say.

I prefer the Mahāsī method to other methods because the techniques learned on an intensive retreat are more easily adapted to “real” world situations, rather than just being applicable during retreats. Throughout the day, everyone does many routine activities such as washing, shaving, dressing, and eating, which can be done with mindfulness or without mindfulness. If one just slows down a bit, and pays more attention, then one will be establishing mindfulness, which will keep the mind free from gross defilements and gradually lead to insight.

While driving, one must look at the road ahead, and maintain full awareness of the ever-changing traffic situation. However, there will still be many moments when stuck in traffic that one can be mindful of “sitting,” “touching,” “hearing,” ”looking,” “seeing,” and so forth, instead of just allowing the mind to roam wherever it likes. Turn off the radio, and pay more attention to the present moment. Not only will you drive more safely, you will arrive at your destination without being fatigued or stressed.
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Re: Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:30 am

Excellent advice, bhante... thanks for the timely reminder.

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Pure satipatthana...

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Postby nathan » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:52 am

Repetition. Repetition. Repetition. That is what, if anything, makes it religious. I think you will see real changes if you follow this advice people have here. Take at least 20 min. and up to an hour if possible first thing in the morning to religiously do a sitting or walking session where you practice your technique. Then, throughout the day. In the suitable gaps or calm moments. Commit to adverting to your technique while continuing in your activities. Then very near the end of the day do another 20 min. plus of very focused practice on your technique. If you commit strongly to doing this consistently then it works wonders. Any lesser efforts have lesser wonders to offer. That's the way it is with this same as every other kind of real work. But it can be very good work, if you can get it!
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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:30 pm

Hi,
I haven't read the book cover to cover but have read some of it, my take is that the actual noting is for formal practice which once we are use to the process we take that into daily life in the form of simply knowing it is there, when listening we know we are listening we don't have to tell ourselves we are listening.
I have never specifically tried the Mahasi method but the method I was initially taught is very similar.
my main issue with the noting method is that I end up noting thinking thinking thinking referring to the noting of what comes up when anything arises.


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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:28 pm

There are two factors of jhāna called vitakka and vicāra. Vitakka is initial application, while vicāra is sustained application of the mind to the meditation object.

With Satipatthāna Vipassanā meditation, the object is constantly changing, but these factors are still present. The noting or labelling of the object observed is iniitial application (vitakka). It is an essential factor of concentration, so should not be neglected. However, there comes a point when the second vipassanā jhāna is reached and the noting is then no longer required.

See this chapter on the by Sayādaw U Pandita.
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Postby AdvaitaJ » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:12 am

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:24 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:01 pm

I just don't find the Noting method right for me, but this is derailing the OP's thread


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:02 pm

The Mahasi method is probably one of the best and effective methods around..I would wholeheartedly recommend it. Now if you just add jhana to it... :thumbsup:
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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:11 pm

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Re: Anybody else read Satipatthana Vipassana by M. Sayadaw?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:46 pm

Dear Ven Pesala,

Did you mean the vipassana jhana? Sorry, I meant samatha jhana. I didnt see any reference to jhana in the other link you posted unless it is in that site somewhere- I didnt dig deeply enough.

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