kalden yungdrung wrote:
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
You are playing not to understand the message of those who say that to receive DI you do not have to be Buddhist ... it's your game, be happy with that biased pov.
I guess you did misunderstood my mesasage.
We are dealing here with the traditional Dzogchen Lineages with Ngondro and those like you who prefer not to do these preliminaries, because the DI would serve for all people there are. Well this was doubt very clear, in as well Nyingma Dzogchen as well Bon Dzogchen, therefore their gradual approach. Well further can people in our Traditional Dzogchen Lineages
call themselves Bon Buddhist or Vajrayana Buddhist, so here the people who are going for DI are sure Buddhists!
So if i did understood well then is also Buddhism not per se needed to get the DI running, whereas Dzogchen is total Buddhism or Buddha Dharma.
Further blased in what way if there are clear different view points, which i do defend in the Buddhist sense, when i may?