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 Post subject: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Tashi delek,

Below some important Bon Dzogchen Centers where one can follow Bon Teachings.

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H.H. Menri Trizin 33rd, Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche
http://www.bonfoundation.org/index.html

H.E. Yongdzin Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche
http://www.triten.org/TR/
http://shenten.org/

His Eminence Menri Lopon Trinley Rinpoche
http://www.khyungdzongwl.org/

Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche:
https://www.ligmincha.org/
http://www.ligminchatexas.org/
Retreat in the USA: http://www.chammaling.org/
http://www.ligmincha.nl/
http://www.bongaruda.de/
http://www.garudamexico.org/
http://a.bongaruda.pl/
http://www.garudaswitzerland.org/

Geshe Yong Dong
http://www.sherabchammaling.com/index.html

Tempa Dukte Lama
http://www.olmoling.org/

Chongtrul Rinpoche
http://bonshenling.org/

H.E. the 7th Kundröl Rinpoche
http://www.zamongyal.com/index.html

Geshe Chaphur Rinpoche
http://gyalshen.org/

Geshe Nyima Dakpa Rinpoche
http://jungdrungbon.net/

John Reynolds / Vajranatha
http://www.vajranatha.com/

John Vincent Belezza
http://www.asianart.com/articles/vestiges/index.html#1

Lama Khemsar Rinpoche
http://www.yungdrungbon.com/

Foundation Yungdrung Rignga Ling / Bon temple in the Netherlands
Location:
http://maps.google.nl/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&tab=wl
Open Google maps - Type: Kerkrade, yungdrung

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:40 am 
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Blue Garuda wrote:
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

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Tashi delek,

Thanks for your suggestion.

There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.

It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.

By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.

So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum. :namaste:

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:54 am 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your suggestion.

There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.

It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.

By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.

So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum. :namaste:

Mutsog Marro
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I quite understand. :)

Maybe ask a Mod to make it a 'sticky' in the Bon forum then?

I like 'sticky' threads as it means useful information is presented at the top for people opening up the forum.

Would it be OK to post a link to this thread from the Dzogchen one as people may well be looking there for a Bon Lama they have heard about?

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:32 am 
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Blue Garuda wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your suggestion.

There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.

It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.

By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.

So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum. :namaste:

Mutsog Marro
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I quite understand. :)

Maybe ask a Mod to make it a 'sticky' in the Bon forum then?

I like 'sticky' threads as it means useful information is presented at the top for people opening up the forum.

Would it be OK to post a link to this thread from the Dzogchen one as people may well be looking there for a Bon Lama they have heard about?



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your replies.

IMO a link to Bon Dzogchen Centers inside the Bon sub-forum is not so needed / nescessary.
It fullfills all needs if this topic is mentioned only in the Bon sub-forum.

Maybe to make it sticky that would be nice but here i have so my top 10.... : :anjali:


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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:18 pm 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
...i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists...

Does Lopön Tenzin Namdak consider himself as a buddhist?


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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
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Bhusuku wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
...i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists...

Does Lopön Tenzin Namdak consider himself as a buddhist?



Tashi delek,

Lopon Lak would certainly say he is a Bonpo.

But like i have written before, in Tibet we know only Bonpos (Tibetan Buddhists) and Chospas (Indian orientated Buddhists), the name Buddhist is not used.

That is not strange seen in the light of persecution of Bonpos, that they could never be called Tibetan Buddhists, this claim was only exclusive for the new imported form of belief, the Indian Buddhism.

Nevertheless, Bonpos and Chospas have both a Buddha so they could be called both Buddhists but in Tibet there is no name for this collective belief due to political manipulations.

So they are both Buddhists but are according Tibetan politics called different.

So Lopon Lak would call him a Bonpo due to Tibetan customs but finally he is a Bon Buddhist and follows Bon Buddha Dharma. It is a word game due to only Tibetan customs and no more.

Bon Buddha Dharma does include (Like in Vajrayana):

Sutra
Tantra
Dzogchen


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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
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Geshe Rinchen Tenzin Rinpoche
http://togmisherab.artalama.net.ru/en/

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
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By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

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kalden,

You are playing not to understand the message of those who say that to receive DI you do not have to be Buddhist ... it's your game, be happy with that biased pov.

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:15 am 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your suggestion.

There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.

It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.

By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.

So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum. :namaste:

Mutsog Marro
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I know good Buddhists who feel that Bon followers have nothing to say to Dzogchen students, that Bon is ersatz....Where should we draw the line ?
Perhaps we should not. Perhaps we should not poke " the elephant in the room."
Just a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:43 am 
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I had thought that if a person is searching DW for 'Dzogchen' as opposed to 'Buddhism' or 'Bon' then Bon Dzogchen should be welcome to make use of the sticky and add to that list (as well as maybe posting in the Bon forum.

Clearly people have sensitivities about this.


My apologies if it was interpreted as an attempt to hijack the Bonpo content itself, as I was only seeking to view DW from the POV of members seeking information and to be helpful to them.

:namaste: :shrug:

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
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Sönam wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
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By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

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kalden,

You are playing not to understand the message of those who say that to receive DI you do not have to be Buddhist ... it's your game, be happy with that biased pov.

Sönam



Tashi delek,

I guess you did misunderstood my mesasage.

We are dealing here with the traditional Dzogchen Lineages with Ngondro and those like you who prefer not to do these preliminaries, because the DI would serve for all people there are. Well this was doubt very clear, in as well Nyingma Dzogchen as well Bon Dzogchen, therefore their gradual approach. Well further can people in our Traditional Dzogchen Lineages call themselves Bon Buddhist or Vajrayana Buddhist, so here the people who are going for DI are sure Buddhists!

So if i did understood well then is also Buddhism not per se needed to get the DI running, whereas Dzogchen is total Buddhism or Buddha Dharma.

Further blased in what way if there are clear different view points, which i do defend in the Buddhist sense, when i may? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:49 am 
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Simon E. wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.

If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here: ;)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your suggestion.

There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.

It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.

By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.

But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.

So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum. :namaste:

Mutsog Marro
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I know good Buddhists who feel that Bon followers have nothing to say to Dzogchen students, that Bon is ersatz....Where should we draw the line ?
Perhaps we should not. Perhaps we should not poke " the elephant in the room."
Just a thought.



Tashi delek,

Well i know these facts, very sad in that case, but nevertheless Dzogchen = Dzogchen, there are different approaches that is clear.
We have traditional and non traditional Dzogchen, like we can watch here aboard. But then anyway all these Lineages have the fruit Masters, or the proves.

So regarding methods etc. we can share these things, but sometimes the minor differences overshadow total the general Dzogchen View.......
It is not i have a mission but what is Dzogchen and Dzogchen that should be disciussed. Own Lineage news should be done on the related forum, that keeps objectief conversation possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
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Thank you for changing your mind and listing in the Dzogchen section as well.

I'm sure it will help people seeking out information. :)

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