Dzogchen and ngöndro

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:12 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:27 pm

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:41 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:43 pm

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:51 pm

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby heart » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:52 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby xylem » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:03 pm

speaking quite honestly here... i think much of this debate comes down to there being an emergent dzogchen dharma culture that identifies itself as being entirely separate and distinct from mainstream tibetan buddhist culture. this statement isn't intended to be critical, just descriptive. personally i have teachers that would belong to both the mainstream tibetan buddhist and the emergent dzogchen dharma cultures. i don't think describing this as an emergent and alternative dharma "culture" is at pejorative either. "culture" has the connotation of a group's customs and beliefs. it also that the connotation of something that is passed down-- what we'd call "lineage" as buddhists.

the words of CNNR based on the dzogchen tantras support this emergent dzogchen culture as a possibility, and malcolm-la has expressed this quite articulately himself. in this discussion the intentional dichotomy of dzogchen as something separate from tantra or sutra, not only in terms of view (which no buddhist would deny) but form of practice also speaks to this. i've encountered this casually in conversation with people: "hi, i'm xylem, i'm nyingma"... "i'm bob, i'm dzogchen". i see this on FB-- religion: dzogchen. the DC of CNNR has a very unique organizational structure based on the dzogchen teachings. examples go on and on.

i think this is kind of cool and interesting.

thoughts?

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Mr. G » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:10 pm

There are Dzogchen teachers that require students to do ngondro.
There are Dzoghcen teachers that don't require students to do ngondro.
No one should be imposing their views one way or the other.

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:26 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:34 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:24 pm

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby heart » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:25 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:44 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:01 pm

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Re: Dzogchen and ngöndro

Postby heart » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:04 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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