Dechen Norbu wrote:
It sells well among those who are looking for Dzogchen teachings and end up getting ngöndro and tantra. All from a Dzogchen perspective, of course.
See Dechen Norbu, this line is the exact reason why people get annoyed. It is condescending.
Well, do you want me to be a hypocrite? OK, all you guys will actually be practicing Dzogchen when you are practicing ngondro and tantra. When you do those practices, that is Dzogchen practtice. Happy?
You know, most people I met who were performing ngöndro at the same time I was weren't really thinking they were practicing Dzogchen. You know what? That didn't bother us the least. We knew what was the Dzogchen perspective, our teacher was a Dzogchen teacher and we knew how we were supposed to do practice, but we were perfectly aware that we weren't expected to be able to practice Dzogchen just yet. As Ogyen, as so many people. We were told the truth about this take on Dzogchen. ngondro->yidam(under a Dzogchen perspective)->actual Dzogchen practice.
We were purifying karma and accumulating merits. The time for actual Dzogchen practice would come, but now we only were expected to cultivate a Dzogchen perspective. Nobody was fooling us and we knew what we were doing and that was not actual Dzogchen practice. My teachers were always very honest and open about it. If we continued, we would get to actually practice Dzogchen, but not just yet as we were considered unprepared. It was an apriori.
And that's the whole reason for doing ngöndro, for doing the preliminaries
. We knew that and were perfectly happy with it. We didn't have to be told we were "practicing Dzogchen" to feel good.
Of course any practice can be integrated in Dzogchen pratice. I had to be daft since ChNN repeats that so often. And it's true, it can. But wanting to do it and actually doing it ar two very different animals. To actually do it, you must know how, develop this capacity, and that you won't learn by doing ngöndro, not mattering if it has a "Dzogchen perspective" or otherwise. You'll mostly be purifying karma and accumulating merits, preparing the future, time in which Dzogchen practice should bare results. Then, when you succeed at Dzogchen practice for a certain extent, you can do ngöndro or any other practice and integrate it in Dzogchen practice. But that is not expected when you start ngöndro. That's just a fantasy with little connection to how things really are.