Dechen Norbu wrote:Because there is such dichotomy.
When you do Guru Yoga, in ngöndro for instance, you are practicing Dzogchen, not Tantra (after dissolution, mind you). But most of ngöndro is not Guru Yoga. Where you spend most of your time, is not in Guru Yoga. Perhaps ideally such could be the case. In practice, I never saw anyone doing it like that, especially when one hasn't recognized the primordial state, which is the most common.
This has nothing to do with labels, by the way. I just think there are better practices for 1) recognizing one's natural state 2) geting rid of doubt about such experience 3) integration than ngöndro or Tantra in general. Fell free do disagree. Tantra is excelent, just not Dzogchen practice. It's an aid for, not Dzogchen practice. I practice tantra very, very often. Go figure. What I don't do is taking something for what it isn't. That's when the whole unnecessary confusion begins.
There is a line indeed, a very clear line between Tantric practice and Dzogchen. You should be aware of that if you study under ChNN or any other qualified teacher. Ask them and see what they say.
Hmm, exageration again. I don't know how Namkhai Norbu on Ngondro, but from other master of Nyinthig certainty in whole Ngondro you do and "finish" visualisations in the manner like in visualisations in the Rushen. Not to mention Vajrasattva is totally diferrent from Krija Tantra, and all other are also related to primordial purity kadak, and spon·ta·ne·ous presence lhundrup. So if this Ngondro is not Dzogchen, also the Rushen is not Dzogchen.... Read please manuals like Kunzang Gongpa Kundu as you have the permission, and you see yourself. All of this is secretive and associated with the protectors, like Ekajati, so it is not like, oh Namkhai Norbu is only open and the best to teach, and others are not. I will not discuss it anymore, not to mention details, because I have not the permission. Please respect it and believe me, you exaggerate. Ngondro is very very very very important!