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the great vegetarian debate

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby PeterB » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:40 am

A good point and the only realistic option imo.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:35 pm

Believe what you will, but there are consequences of choosing a vegan diet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXhH1bhdzMA
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A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby VeganLiz » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:41 am

Hello Pedro,

I have been a vegan for five years, before that I was a vegetarian for four years. As far as health goes, I feel that my health is basically the same comparing to the times I was an omni and a vegetarian. I do not feel any sort of health differences personally.

Personally I am a vegan for ethical reasons. I feel that veganism is further rejection of violence. It's a position against enslavement and exploitation of nonhuman animals. Being a vegan, to me, is about acknowledging basic rights of sentient beings. I am a vegan because I do not believe in unnecessary suffering and I do not believe that human beings need to eat anything from animals, therefore eating animal products contributes to unnecessary suffering.

I am not Buddhist so I can't really relate it to anything like that, it's just a moral choice I made on my own.
"My actions are my only true belongings." Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby alan » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:53 am

Consider the fact that humans have been eating eggs, cheese and butter for thousands of years. There is no reliable evidence supporting the claim that it has caused health problems.
Choosing to avoid the unnecessary killing of innocent animals is a laudable goal. I do so myself, within reason.
But your belief that humans can be healthy without eating some animal products does not explain how we survived this long while eating them.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby VeganLiz » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:24 am

"But your belief that humans can be healthy without eating some animal products does not explain how we survived this long while eating them."

A statement that people can be healthy without eating animals despite the fact that people have lived on animal products in history? I'm not really sure what you are saying here to be honest.

People can be healthy while eating animal products but that's irrelevant. People can also be healthy on a vegan diet.
"My actions are my only true belongings." Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:46 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby alan » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:49 am

Seems like the burden of proof is on you.
If you insist on this radical diet, please take some Vitamin B12. It's one of the many essential nutrients that are not provided with a strict vegan diet.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:52 am

Author of Redneck Buddhism: or Will You Reincarnate as Your Own Cousin?

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:21 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:42 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby PeterB » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:48 am

I have no idea what that means and I have read it three times.
Its a form of passive aggression Hannze. You know many of us cant understand what you write, but you dont give a damn and you go ahead anyway.

Its a written variation of what some of my patients do..they speak ( to me or anyone ) in a low mutter to signal aggression. Its largely unconscious of course.
At least four other members have told you that they dont understand what you write....but you do it anyway....

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby VeganLiz » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:28 pm

"My actions are my only true belongings." Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:41 pm

About food in general and for a perfect ethic live, just "One should not consume elephant flesh ... horse flesh ... dog flesh ... snake flesh ... lion flesh ... tiger flesh ... leopard flesh ... bear flesh ... hyena flesh."
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:57 pm

Liz take it from an old road warrior: if you respond to every extremist and reactionary who posts on this Forum you'll be swatting at gnats all night.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby plwk » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:13 pm

Bubba is cool :thumbsup:

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby VeganLiz » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:51 pm

"My actions are my only true belongings." Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby alan » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:56 am

Thanks octathlon for that clarifying question. Now we'll see which position is radical.
My opinion: Cows are going to produce milk. Chickens will scratch around and give eggs. We are not "protecting" them by assuming an attitude of high holy behavior. Cheese, butter an eggs are good for you. Eat them.
I was a veggie for 20+ years. I get it. But strict conformance to a rigid ideology seems to be the norm in Vegan circles.


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