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Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:12 pm

Btw´, if I may a small sideremark.

Yesterday, 23 year old Cora died in Germany after her 6 th plastic surgery to get bigger silicone implantates.

She was wellknown as an Ex Big Brother "inmate".

She worked in the porn industry...

During the operation, her heart stopped beating and her brain was without oxygen for 15 minutes.

After reanimation she stayed comatose, due to brain damage. Over the past days she had fevers and epileptic seizures.

I can't help but feel compassion for her, who is-was- a curious mix of active victim of the porn industry.

A husband is mourning her, saying, he found her beautiful just the way she was... but she felt she needed more.

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:24 pm

It would Craig but i was replying in the context of this thread...

A sad story Anna....23.

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:32 pm

Only because of the "women" bit of the OP.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby pompous_ass1 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:14 pm

Why is emotionality considered a plus? I don't think it is. Rationality is a greater strength. Emotions tend toward extremes, not balance. Rationality must govern ahead of emotional concerns. Emotions are the flavor, too easily indulged in and misleading...while rational persuit of truth brings a balance between mind and emotion, keeping emotion in its place. Emotions should not be allowed to reign free.

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I was just trying to be funny.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby d.sullivan » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:42 am

Every blade in the field,
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:33 am

Wow, I guess that makes me an outlier, I've got ZERO desire for any sexual contact.

As for the whole line of generalizations in the OP, I would say IF women conformed to these stereotypes (they don't), they'd be perhaps easier suited for new age nonsense, but not the spiritual life as dictated by the Buddha. Speaking as a woman from the point of view on the doctrine I would say the spiritual life is pretty easy for me in theory, but not because I'm a woman, but because of my ability to understand and practice what the Buddha has taught. It's all very clear, purifying, and empowering. Now speaking as a woman holistically about the discipline, I will say that it's very difficult for women in general to practice the discipline, not because they are women, but because of what it takes to be a serious practitioner. It takes hardcore moral and mental discernment that escapes most people as a whole. Humans are creatures of habits and unintentionally do a lot of stupid things that try to counter change with their full effort. Women are certainly no exception to the rule, and I would say because of all the expectations put upon women, it's much more difficult to practice as opposed to men.

For example, for one, in our culture women are objectified in a manner that places their marketability both socially and literally on their physical appearance. This means that in order to survive in the worldly stage of affairs most ladies prioritize their looks and have to do a lot more to try and slow the flow of time which is counterproductive in the spiritual life. For men marketability both socially and literally is mostly put on their intellectual capacity, so naturally men are going to feel more pressure to seek intellectual mediums putting more access to spiritual matters in their hands. Then there's the problem of day-to-day life ritual, women and men are expected to behave in different manners. Women are expected to behave more submissively to uphold the status quo which leaves them more vulnerable to doing immoral things merely because "authority is law" and "Conformity is key". These are things that most of us, speaking as a woman and as a Buddhist, have to get out of our system before we step into the spiritual life. So as a female I would say I make a terrible girl in our society, but I'm a darned good practitioner of the Buddha Dhamma. :smile:
"One is not born a woman, but becomes one."- Simone de Beauvoir

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby pilgrim » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:40 am

One observation that should be obvious to Buddhists is that women outnumber men in most events....dana, talks, retreats, even organisational work. Men tend to become teachers perhaps because of cultural pre-dispositions. I think there are pros and cons for both sexes, that's why it may not be a bad thing that we are reborn as both sexes inn samsara.

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Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:24 am

Of course, but more than that, we gain insight from these things. As for why women outnumber men in events, that's not a fair measure of spirituality. It's more often than not because women often have more free time. Men usually don't, most men are pressured to work more often and longer. I think a true measure of spiritual prowess is dedication, restraint, and understanding of the doctrine and discipline. With that, I can't say I've met more women committed to the spiritual life, but more committed to social interactions.
"One is not born a woman, but becomes one."- Simone de Beauvoir

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby kirana » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:42 am

in dittasutta at samyutta nikaya, when the king pasenadi from kosala disappointed because his queen deliverd daughter not son, then the Buddha said to him, even woman can do more than men.

actually the Buddha never look down to women, we can see from gatha, he always using form "matapita", its mean mother and father, so the Buddha put mother/woman firstly.

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