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Postby Malcolm » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:55 pm

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I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether.




འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Postby Andrew108 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:02 pm

Nice quote and true. I wonder if HHDL's twitter stream is updated by him personally? Or is it someone from his office pulling quotes from his books?
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Postby muni » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Not to cling to religion; not to reject, not to accept... to fit me.

"My faith enjoins me to strive for the welfare and benefit of all sentient beings. I am confident that it is both possible and worthwhile to attempt a new secular approach to universal ethics. My confidence comes from my conviction that all of us, all human beings; are basically inclined or disposed toward what we percieve to be good...In the view of this, I am of the firm opinion that we have within our grasp a way, and a means, to ground inner values without contradicting any religion and yet, cruciallly, without depending on religion".

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Religion-E ... B005DXOOTW

In the book in which I ran over the titles only, is compassion and mindfulness/awareness , tolerance and understanding crucial.

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Postby MalaBeads » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:04 pm

In a recent hour long interview on CNN, HHDL said he does not post his own tweets.
I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Postby Dechen Norbu » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:45 pm

I would find hard that he would post them himself. However, I'm pretty confident he knows what is posted there.

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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:25 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby Wesley1982 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:39 pm

That would be in the realm of Transcendent Philosophy . . .

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Postby Wayfarer » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:24 am

That's the hard question. There is not an exact 1:1 correspondence between 'dharma' and 'religion' in my view. They correspond in some respects and differ in others. The problem is the 'culture wars' in the West have become so divisive and so emotive that you can't see the flame for the smoke. As soon as you mention anything that even sounds 'religious' to a lot of people, it's shields up, attack mode. I think HH is trying to move the issue out of that zone.
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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:34 am

Live in concord, with mutual appreciation, without disputing, blending like milk and water, viewing each other with kindly eyes.

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Postby Huifeng » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:50 am

One could possibly suggest other examples throughout the history of Buddhist thought, or other religious (!) thought, political thought, etc. whereby we do the same thing. Purging words of negative connotations, in order to uphold a kind of sacred religious terminology, freed of evil.

Okay, enough blather from me, I'm off to teach my classes of the semester, huzzah! :twothumbsup:

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Postby Malcolm » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:26 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Postby Wayfarer » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:04 am

That doesn't really come to terms with why the Dalai Lama wants to move beyond religion, or why there is so much controversy over religious ideas in the modern world, though.
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi

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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:17 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby muni » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:52 am

The subtle clinging I am a buddhist, from the point of view of Buddhism is just clinging and cannot be freedom. As then there is an imagined line drawn between two concepts. We shouldn't reject religion or hold on "ours" which is grounded in delusion, a base for quarrel. As Buddhist we then just cling.

Christians, Muslim... brothers and sisters; we can see eachother at least as brothers and sisters interdependent from eachother.

Its all about daily etics; His Holiness says to imply mutual tolerance and respect for all faiths as well for those of no faith. Then mind is not so easely guided by destructive emotions but more in understanding, mindfulness.

Regarding Dzogchen is that no problem I suppose? Since without opinions or own ideas, nature is not dividing or clinging to labels and no need to delete them neither. No drawing of imagined lines is possible in nondual and all others cannot be "out" (and we in nature). A wise loves ALL without any separation or judgement. Since all is own nondual nature/Mind.

Dalai Lama has been pointed out his nature and understand clearly. From that action is naturally for the sake of all.

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Postby Wayfarer » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:12 am

Yes, I agree. I think it is clinging to ideas, or imposing views on others, or engaging in controversies to prove your own righteousness, that causes many of the problems in this area of life.
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi

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Postby florin » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:53 am

"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"


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