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muni wrote:Interview for Vajradhatu Sun.
Q: What does Dzogchen mean?
R: Dzog, "perfection" or "completion," means as in this quote from a tantra, "Complete in one - everything is complete within mind. Complete in two - everything of samsara and nirvana is complete within this."
"Dzog" means that all the teachings, all phenomena, is completely contained in the vehicle of Dzogchen; all the lower vehicles are included within Dzogchen. "Chen," "great," means that there is no method or means higher than this vehicle.
Q: What is the basic outline of practice according to the Dzogchen path?
R: All the Buddha's teachings are contained within nine gradual vehicle of which Dzogchen, the Great Perfection, is like the highest golden ornament on a rooftop spire, or the victory banner on the summit of a great building. All the eight lower vehicles are contained within the ninth which is called Dzogchen in Tibetan, Mahasandhi in Sanskrit [and the Great Perfection in English]. But Dzogchen is not contained in the lowest one, the shravaka vehicle. So when we say "perfect" or "complete" it means that all the lower yanas are perfected or completely contained within the Great Perfection, within Dzogchen.
Usually we say that Dzogchen, sometimes called Ati Yoga, is a Dharma tradition but actually it is just the state of one's mind, basically.
Thanks to Erik's translations similar to this over the decades who is the best lotsawa IMO and whose mastery technically in vocabulary and context is even more apt than Valby IMO whose dictionary is fantastic too, nevermind lessers.
Your work here is benefiting many and I hope it continues in force as well as looking forward to your translations as I think you might be the best living English translator
username wrote:You have a talent in pithy precise definitions but every translator's hues of judgments comes true. Maybe that is why you keep changing them.
username wrote:All translators, like all writers, have judgments and views which they can not stop coming across. Also every translation, or any writing, affects each reader uniquely.
username wrote:...I remember Frances Garrett's ebook affected your views.
On another point, Ayurveda as a source, has really just been taken up in recent decades properly, just like all Tibetan Studies, and needs much more research.
Thirdly the aspects of language theory you are referring to affect not only Tibetan studies but all fields as a century of European theorists have been debating. It is a vast area.
But it is not really a competition since my spoken Tibetan sucks...Erik is a fine translator. So is Valby, and a host of others.
Not comparing him to you Malcolm, anyway we never met IRL.
muni wrote:Interview for Vajradhatu Sun.
Compared to straying into an intellectualized version of Dzogchen, it is much more beneficial to practice according to Madhyamika or Mahamudra where one goes along step by step, alternating theory and experience within the structure of theory, experience and realization. Proceeding gradually in this way one becomes more and more clear about what is to be resolved and then finally captures the "dharmakaya throne of nonmeditation." In this graduated system there are some reference points along the various paths and levels. But in Dzogchen the master will from the very beginning point out the nonconceptual state, instructing the student to remain free from concepts. It then happens that some student will think, "I am free from concepts, I am never distracted!" while walking around with vacantly gazing eyes. That is called straying into intellectual understanding.
Fine that also here, the gradual Path is seen as beneficial.
Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche from http://www.rangjung.com/authors/tulku_u ... erview.htm :
Once one has received the pointing-out instruction there is the chance of either recognizing it or not.
ram peswani wrote:muni wrote:Interview for Vajradhatu Sun.
The special feature of Dzogchen is as follows: "Primordial pure essence is Trekcho, Cutting Through." This view is actually present in all the nine vehicles, but the special quality of Dzogchen is what is called "The spontaneously present nature is Togal, Direct Crossing." The unity of these two, Cutting Through and Direct Crossing, Trekcho and Togal, is the special or unique teaching of Dzogchen. That is how Dzogchen basically is. That's it.KY wrote:
Sure Thogal is that kind of special experience which is not exisitng in other Paths.
- Then the attainment would be different?
But there is no Trekchod / emptiness aspect and / + Thogal / clearity aspect, in Nature they are inseparable connected but didivded for some reasons.
It is also reflected in the partial experience of Nature by the practitioner......
I read that there is in that way real Dzogchen and partial Dzogchen.........
here i agree. This is the best method for direct crossing, while Buddhas have to sacrifice direct crossing for the benefit of existence
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