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All compounded phenomena are suffering??

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All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Sacha G » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:44 pm

Hi everybody
Something has been getting me think for some time: the fact that the Buddha says : "all compounded phenomena are Suffering", but "in brief the 5 clinging-aggregates are suffering".
Actually it would be OK if the five clinging aggregates = compounded phenomena.
Unfortunately, "compounded phenomena" is larger, since it includes the aggregates not subject to clinging. :broke:
So what to think of that?
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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Stiphan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:39 pm

And which are "the aggregates not subject to clinging"?

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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Sacha G » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:53 pm

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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Stiphan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:04 pm

That's interesting.... Could you provide the source? Maybe we can see the context in which he says this, or perhaps any further elaborations he is making.

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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Sacha G » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Hi
Thanx for your replies.
I think we can understand why some aspects of the mental aggregates of an ariya are not suffering. The question would be: why the buddha declared "all compounded phenomena are suffering". He should've said: "all compounded phenomena which are mundane (or subject to clinging, or with taints) are suffering".
By the way, this is precisely the way the sarvastivada rephrased the second characteristic.
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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Kenshou » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:33 pm

All sankhara are dukkha because they are anicca. "Suffering" may not be a very good translation, "unsatisfactory" might be more accurate. All compounded things are unsatisfactory, prone to (bringing us) dis-ease, because of the fact that they are impermanent.
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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Moth » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:29 pm

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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Sacha G » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:46 am

Hi Pt1
Thank you for your answer.
Sorry but I'm not sure to get your point. Do you mean that the Buddha was saying "all MUNDANE compounded phenomena are Suffering"?
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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:30 am

'compounded' (sankata) or 'fabricated' refers to anything which arises and passes away. That is anything which is impermanent. Nibbana is the only thing which is 'un-compounded' (asankata).

Furthermore everything in existence falls into one of the five aggregates (or should I say can be classified under one..). Anything which is impermanent, is unsatisfactory and in turn is not self -so this includes all of the five aggregates.

There are no satisfactory aggregates.

The idea of vinnana of a nibbanic moment is debatable and IMO just wrong on many levels!

The idea that Nibbana can be commented upon (as anatta etc) except in the negative (no sun, no moon etc) is also just word play and playing with logic (which doesnt imply the Truth) IMO.

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Re: All compounded phenomena are suffering??

Postby Sacha G » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:53 pm

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