Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:36 pm

I never saw a wild thing
sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
without ever having felt sorry for itself.

~ D.H. Lawrence

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby jundo cohen » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:37 pm

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:45 pm

What I am saying that there is no real value in proclaiming the Buddha is dead, when in the west, he was never really alive. If there is no establishment you can't really be anti-establishment. Actually, when the establishment is scientific materialism, then your statements are actually conservative and not at all radical. Not that you are really saying anything radical anyway, but...
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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby jundo cohen » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:45 pm

Priest/Teacher at Treeleaf Zendo, a Soto Zen Sangha. Treeleaf Zendo was designed as an online practice place for Zen practitioners who cannot easily commute to a Zen Center due to health concerns, living in remote areas, or work, childcare and family needs, and seeks to provide Zazen sittings, retreats, discussion, interaction with a teacher, and all other activities of a Zen Buddhist Sangha, all fully online. The focus is Shikantaza "Just Sitting" Zazen as instructed by the 13th Century Japanese Master, Eihei Dogen. http://www.treeleaf.org

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:08 pm

Jundo,

As one of your students said in support of you over this issue, it would be lying to not tell the truth. :anjali:

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Simon E. » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:18 pm

I get the strong impression that Mr Cohen ( who I do not know ) might be picking up someone elses bill. He perhaps represents a safer target.
But what do I know.
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my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:22 pm

Not picking it up is obviously not an option.

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby jundo cohen » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:38 pm

Priest/Teacher at Treeleaf Zendo, a Soto Zen Sangha. Treeleaf Zendo was designed as an online practice place for Zen practitioners who cannot easily commute to a Zen Center due to health concerns, living in remote areas, or work, childcare and family needs, and seeks to provide Zazen sittings, retreats, discussion, interaction with a teacher, and all other activities of a Zen Buddhist Sangha, all fully online. The focus is Shikantaza "Just Sitting" Zazen as instructed by the 13th Century Japanese Master, Eihei Dogen. http://www.treeleaf.org

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:50 pm

It's a metaphor, Jundo. Paying a bill is paying for some sort of debt for goods or services rendered. Of course it can be more abstract than that, like a 'debt to society' for some offense to society, and this is essentially how Simon's metaphor is meant, I believe, that you are paying for someone else's offense. This is not unlike how Jesus is said to have died for the sins of others, so you are in good company, as martyrdom goes.

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Simon E. » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:51 pm

I am suggesting sir that much of the negativity directed at you for your " blasphemy " is actually displaced from its real target because on this forum you are seen as a softer option.. for historical reasons.

When folk start shitting their pants with indignation I find it attracts my attention.
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my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:06 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Anders » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:10 pm

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:12 pm

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:21 pm

Perhaps the Soto Zen Buddhist Association chooses to not recognize Jundo's priests for other reasons and this just provides a loophole to achieve their end.

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:28 pm

But Jundo Cohen is an affiliated teacher with the organisation. :shrug: http://szba.org/teachers/jundo-cohen/
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby shel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:33 pm

You know how politics are. Step on the wrong toes and...

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Re: Baloney! and Jundo Cohen

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:39 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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