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An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables - Dhamma Wheel

An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

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An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Individual » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:32 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:43 pm

Individual,

I'm sorry to hear you're suffering right now. I, myself, have often found that delving into the subtleties of the Dhamma (not to mention the head-splitting imponderables) when I am not completely grounded in my practice is worse than futile--it has actually caused me to form mis-perceptions about things that I am/was simply not ready or able to see. I know this is off topic but I wanted to wish you well and implore you to take care of yourself and your mind. Be well. :heart:

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby plwk » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:44 pm

Here's an imponderable: If one knows that grasping a blade hurts, why not just let go?
The Buddha? Jhana? Kamma? Universe? Or just oneself?

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Individual » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:00 pm

Because I don't know what it is I'm letting go of.

I feel infinite compassion for all beings, without feeling pride in myself. I feel like Yoda, an old man with broken legs, weary, pushing forward step by step, with an infinite weight attached to my legs... But I push forward because compassion itself is the unconditioned, the unborn, if it's something we lack. No hurting others, no hurting self, no hurting the world. Love others, love self, love the world. But still... it hurts... Changing how I think hasn't solved anything. It just makes it easier for me to keep my house in order, easier to make my mom happy, sometimes it's Zen-like focus while others times stuff is a blur and I have to take things slow.
The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Viscid » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:00 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Ben » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:33 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

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Re: An attempt to explain the Four Imponderables

Postby Goedert » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:47 am

Individual,

We can get lost if we try to conceptualize or analyze what is imponderable.

There is things that we can't use name-and-form to describe.

Try to focus the practice in YOU, feel your experience and change it to a pass of bliss.

"The self is the master of the self.
Who else can that master be?
With the self fully subdued, one obtains the sublime refuge which is very difficult to achieve." Dhp

"Don't do it, fool, don't do it!
Don't play intellectual games.
Merely by intellectual games
whose thirst can be quenched?"
Hindi Doha: S.N. Goenka


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