Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?
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If it's completely wholesome you probably aren't doing it right.
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Which also does not represent a Dzogchen view.
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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?
I'm still not quite 100% sure what the Dzogchen view is on Sexual Yoga. As has been mentioned already, within this thread and other threads, the Khandro Nyingthig and Longchenpa on the Lama Yangthig have teachings on this.
At least until learning more, I'm going with the Kalachakra and Anuyoga views on Karmamudra as explained by Yeshe Tsogyel, H.H. the Dalai Lama, etc.
Also, it would be very wise to at least follow the advice given to ordinary people by Tibetan Medicine regarding sex and the seasons...
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=3987" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...as explained there^.
At least until learning more, I'm going with the Kalachakra and Anuyoga views on Karmamudra as explained by Yeshe Tsogyel, H.H. the Dalai Lama, etc.
Also, it would be very wise to at least follow the advice given to ordinary people by Tibetan Medicine regarding sex and the seasons...
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=3987" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...as explained there^.
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Yes...your appearance looks better. If you have a wife, it will prevent you from jeopardizing your relationship. Breaking up a family creates heavy karma because a family is a unit of society. If every family does that, then we will have chaos. That's what happening now in the modern world. Too many divorces-children are not brought up good because of that. Then children will bring chaos to society...serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, etc.Wesley1982 wrote:Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma? thanks.
From the practical standpoint of East Asian Buddhism, monks need to refrain from celibacy.
In generally practitioners should not actively seek for a union. But if it comes naturally or mutually, it is not right to reject either. In this case, take the middle path. Don't be attached deeply to it. The Mahayana teaching is not holding on to any side-rejection or acceptance, nirvana or samsara, etc.
Beginners should uphold all precepts dearly.
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I doubt that you meant to say that " monks should refrain from celibacy ". Did you ?
I would like to see your evidence that serial killers are a result of divorce.
Hyperbole makes a poor argument.
I would like to see your evidence that serial killers are a result of divorce.
Hyperbole makes a poor argument.
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The Dzogchen view on that like on other points is very simple ... do your best, work with your circumstances and all that is your limitations. Therefore Sexual Yoga could be integrated in your Dzogchen practice ... but you have to go in essence.Lhug-Pa wrote:I'm still not quite 100% sure what the Dzogchen view is on Sexual Yoga.
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Simon E. wrote:I doubt that you meant to say that " monks should refrain from celibacy ". Did you ?
I would like to see your evidence that serial killers are a result of divorce.
Hyperbole makes a poor argument.
I am sure you have a general idea of what I meant to say. Why nit-pick?
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Ok.. " monks need to refrain from celibacy " means that monks should have sex. Is that what you meant ?
And saying that evidence is needed to support the idea that one of the results of divorce is a rise in the numbers of serial killers is hardly " nitpicking" in my view. Its an extraordinary claim.
And saying that evidence is needed to support the idea that one of the results of divorce is a rise in the numbers of serial killers is hardly " nitpicking" in my view. Its an extraordinary claim.
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What do you think?Simon E. wrote:Ok.. " monks need to refrain from celibacy " means that monks should have sex. Is that what you meant ?
Ok granted.And saying that evidence is needed to support the idea that one of the results of divorce is a rise in the numbers of serial killers is hardly " nitpicking" in my view. Its an extraordinary claim.
But what I meant to say in that paragraph?
Can a guy be a clumsy with his words sometimes? If you don't understand this, I am assuming you are nit-picking.
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I have absolutely no idea what " refraining from celibacy can mean " unless you are saying that Monks SHOULD have sex.
Perhaps you meant to say "should be celibate " or should refrain from sex ".
Pointing out that someone may have just said the complete opposite to what they meant is hardly nit-picking...
Oh, and what is true for monks does not apply to lay people, and certainly does not apply to Dzogchen students per se.
Perhaps you meant to say "should be celibate " or should refrain from sex ".
Pointing out that someone may have just said the complete opposite to what they meant is hardly nit-picking...
Oh, and what is true for monks does not apply to lay people, and certainly does not apply to Dzogchen students per se.
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The common mentality is to pick on the mistakes instead of praising the right things that people say or do. This mentality cannot help make a person better.
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Whatever sir...whatever.
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One Minute Manager needs to integrate the 6 Paramitas, in my opinion. Though the book reflects some of Buddhist teachings. Still a good book.Simon E. wrote:Whatever sir...whatever.
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Interesting detail about the Tummo practice. I've heard of the Kama Sutra of Sex Tantric Practice. But that is probably over-hyped or hyped-up
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Sönam wrote:The Dzogchen view on that like on other points is very simple ... do your best, work with your circumstances and all that is your limitations. Therefore Sexual Yoga could be integrated in your Dzogchen practice ... but you have to go in essence.Lhug-Pa wrote:I'm still not quite 100% sure what the Dzogchen view is on Sexual Yoga.
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Dzogchen practice and Sexual Yoga is something I might take up with the right partner.
Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?
what creates good karma or bad karma is intention. if your intention is to put your effort to satisfy you partner needs even if it's lust it's very good karma. but if you use, abuse sex it's bad karma. all that is like a knife, you either save life someone with knife or take life with anger. it's just that. sex is neither good and bad itself as water is neither sweet or sour, it depends with what type of things it mixes.
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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?
Your view is very noble, Shaosun at first time I wholely agree that it could be harmful but also beneficial because it could be a way to calm, give love, attention, etc. I personally think of it as a type of communicating with someone you love, but sometimes it could be much more than that like a feeling of release and calming, and many more. And as you say it depends on your heart feeling.
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In dual world people forget that this kind of stuff, sex and all that it's can be just expression of non dual experience. It's always karmic expressions around, just depends on which triggers it. So saying this is bad and this is good is ignorance because things manifest depends on the trigger and karmic set of the person. If person are not conscious they will be just puppets of karma.
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I don't see how indulging in sense pleasures can be considered good karma. But, it's certainly not as bad as unwholesome conduct.Wesley1982 wrote:Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma? thanks.
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If you will know "skillful means" you will know that there is liberation in indulging in sense of pleasure.seeker242 wrote:I don't see how indulging in sense pleasures can be considered good karma. But, it's certainly not as bad as unwholesome conduct.Wesley1982 wrote:Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma? thanks.