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A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby christopher::: » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:39 pm

Anyone have any thoughts about the practice and cultivation of mettā during online discussions? What factors make it easier (or more difficult) for each of us to cultivate metta (and also the rest of the brahama viharas) when communicating online? And why is this important (or not)?

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:57 pm

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Meta discussion is discussion about discussion and/or about those discussing. This whole thread could be seen as meta discussion.

Non meta discussion does not attempt to dictate the tone of the discussion. It does not for example assume that challenging a view vigorously is contrary to metta.
Personally the times I have learned most was when challenged vigorously by Ajahn Sucitto, Ajahn Munindo ( phew! ) and even more so by Trungpa Rinpoche. I never doubted that when being shouted at by Trungpa Rinpoche that he doing it as a result of metta.
It is why human face to face Sangha is essential so as not to develop an oversensitivity to that which we feel discomfort. Either for ourselves or others. Metta and its expression takes infinite forms.Because people take infinite forms. The criterion for metta is not style. Its motive. And the motives of others will always be a matter of speculation. The only way to avoid speculation is to stick to the topic..not to attempt to introduce a particular style of answer.

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:48 pm

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby andre9999 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:00 pm

Zavk, I don't know who you are, but in the last few days you've had some of the best posts I've seen on here.

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby zavk » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:03 pm

Oh thanks, you're very kind, Obi-wan-headed one. :)
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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby chownah » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:26 pm

I think that the most important aspect of metta during discussions is that if you read an abrasive post that you maintain metta while reading it....if every post was polite and insipid then there would be no challenge to maintain metta while reading this site....in other words you take care of your metta and I'll take care of mine....my guess is that you have no idea about my state of metta while posting and you just interpret my post for metta content through your own twisted sense of what metta is supposed to be....but....like all dhammas it is empty...it is soooo empty in fact that if you shout into it it will echo....don't believe me?....just try it......it.......it.......it.....

chownah...nah...nah....nah....

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby christopher::: » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:21 pm

Thanks all for sharing your perspectives, and I agree, excellent insights zavk! You mentioned patience (), which is definitely another of the wholesome virtues that online conversations give us the chance to cultivate.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:41 pm

I of course meant to write "to that WITH which we feel discomfort " Geoff. :embarassed:

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby Nibbida » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:23 pm

Christopher, I love the curious and thoughtful nature of the questions you post and of your approach overall.

If I'm not practicing metta here, then I'm just flapping my proverbial gums. If I feel annoyance, then there's all the more reason to be mindful of it and make an intentional choice about how to proceed rather than blindly swirling in the downward spiral of the twelve links of dependent origination (rather than the upward spiral of Transcendental Dependent Arising).

There isn't a single time that I feel annoyance that I'm not clinging to something, most often to views. Annoyance cannot persist in the absence of clinging. Even if I find myself in opposition to someone's expressed view or to their overall style of interpreting the Dhamma, there is also the choice to recognize that every single person on this forum is seeking to eliminate suffering and experience happiness (as are all sentient beings). If I'm responding to someone (or even thinking about someone in the absence of responding) and I'm not doing it from a place of metta, then what am I really accomplishing? It's more downward spiral, which is contrary to the purpose of participating here. There's a difference between spinning our wheels and turning of the wheel.

It's truly walking the razor's edge, as it were, neither suppressing annoyance nor indulging it, but instead watching it with as much mindfulness, equanimity, and compassion as I can muster. From that point, thinking and responding with metta is much more possible.

One of my favorite teachers is Christina Feldman, who said, "The quality of mindfulness is imbued with warmth, compassion, and interest. In the light of this engaged attention we discover it is impossible to hate or fear anything or anyone we truly understand."

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby christopher::: » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:01 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: A Meta-discussion about mettā during discussions?

Postby christopher::: » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:14 am

I'm going to bump this, as these issues have come up again in .

:anjali:
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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