Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby oldbob » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:05 am

Wesley1982 wrote:3) It seems like the world of Buddhism produces a garden variety of different types of Buddhists, why would Dzogchen be suitable for me?


I don't think you will be able to determine if Dzogchen is suitable for you until you take a "pointing out instruction; direct introduction," and then see how "meeting the Teacher," and "direct introduction," affects you.

You can also pursue Dzogchen through the gradual path if that is appropriate for you. The most accessible Dzogchen Master is Choegyal Namkhai Norbu RInpoche.

http://tsegyalgar.org/

You might also contact Tsegyalgar and ask them when it is possible to receive the world wide transmission, over the web, if i is not possible to meet a Dzogchen Master in person.

Good fortune to all and All.

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:39 am

Wesley1982 wrote:2) Does correct Dzogchen practice produce a visible buddha?..


yes!

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:44 pm

So it is not "new-age" but hundreds of years old from Tibetan traditions?..
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby asunthatneversets » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:44 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:So it is not "new-age" but hundreds of years old from Tibetan traditions?..


Garab Dorje who is considered by most to be the first human teacher of dzogchen lived circa 55 CE, but some believe there were human teachers before him. Dzogchen is also said to have always existed, but that statement is meant to reflect the timeless aspect of the natural state, and that the nature of mind is essentially "all that is" (though it transcends the four extremes). Dzogchen is far from new-age, but "new agers" do commonly misinterpret it's message as mirroring their own teachings.

Garab Dorje
Mañjuśrīmitra
Shri Singha
Vairotsana
Vimalimitra
Padmasambhava

Are the originators.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:42 pm

a) What's the proper way to pronounce the word dzogchen? doh-Ch-en?
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Paul » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:48 pm

Zog chen
This nature of mind is spontaneously present.
That spontaneity I was told is the dakini aspect.
Recognizing this should help me
Not to be stuck with fear of being sued.

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Stewart » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:49 pm

zOAk-chen
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:51 pm

I'm deaf/hearing-impaired - what if you can't hear or understand the teacher of the class?
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Virgo » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:03 am

Wesley1982 wrote:I'm deaf/hearing-impaired - what if you can't hear or understand the teacher of the class?

In many instances they will make accomodations, allowing you to sit up front etc. Sometimes, a transcript might be available. And there are also many, many, good books touching on Dzogchen.

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:46 am

a) So . .What is the Dzogchen response to the "I" of self-imputed existence?..
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby asunthatneversets » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:01 am

Wesley1982 wrote:a) So . .What is the Dzogchen response to the "I" of self-imputed existence?..


Illusion, it's all illusory.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:43 am

asunthatneversets wrote:Illusion, it's all illusory.


If the idea "i" of the self is illusory, isn't a house still a house and a car a car and a tree still a tree?..
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby asunthatneversets » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:59 am

Wesley1982 wrote:
asunthatneversets wrote:Illusion, it's all illusory.


If the idea "i" of the self is illusory, isn't a house still a house and a car a car and a tree still a tree?..


They are illusory as well. Of course if that stays on the level of the intellect then it's no better than believing things truly exist, it's a truth to be experienced and actualized. Nothing is what you take it to be. Everything is your own display, not you as "Wesley", but your primordial nature.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:53 am

Wesley1982 wrote:So it is not "new-age" but hundreds of years old from Tibetan traditions?..



Tashi delek,

Dzogchen is much older than the Tibetan Traditions from after 600.
The oldest Tibetan Tradition is Bon and Bon has also a very old Dzogchen Tradition called the Zhang Zhung Nyen Gyud which stems from the old kingdom called Zhang Zhung. That is not new aged but old aged.

Then we have the Dzogchen Traditions from outside Tibet which sources are northern India or Uddhiyana.

Well all those traditions are here aboard also present and are:
Nyingma and the Dzogchen Teachings from ChNN. Last mentioned ChNN does it more in the modern fashion.

So here do you have a broad offer of Dzogchen Traditions and you could make an investigation about all of them, could follow all of them or take out one special Dzogchen Master which whom you have a good connection. That could be then your Guru.

But when i may ask what are you at the moment practising?


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IF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGE
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:10 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
So here do you have a broad offer of Dzogchen Traditions and you could make an investigation about all of them, could follow all of them or take out one special Dzogchen Master which whom you have a good connection. That could be then your Guru.

But when i may ask what are you at the moment practising?


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-Medicine Buddha Dharma- and a very broad,general introduction to the basics of Buddhism. Probably an orthodox Tibetan tradition.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby asunthatneversets » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:22 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:-Medicine Buddha Dharma- and a very broad,general introduction to the basics of Buddhism. Probably an orthodox Tibetan tradition.


All of which is compatible (and can be integrated) with dzogchen practice. And doing so won't compromise the integrity of the original practices at all :smile:
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:18 pm

And two great Dzogchen Teachers have even written books about the Medicine Buddha, Khenchen Thrangu Rinpoche and H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche.

http://www.namsebangdzo.com/Sadhana_of_ ... /18052.htm

http://www.namsebangdzo.com/Medicine_Bu ... /12745.htm

Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche often gives the Lung transmission for the Medicine Buddha as well (of course we don't need the Lung transmission in order to practice a Sutra version of the Medicine Buddha Sadhana).
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:24 am

Maybe I'll ask Jesus and follow him to whichever Lama/Guru is best for me.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby asunthatneversets » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:43 am

Wesley1982 wrote:Maybe I'll ask Jesus and follow him to whichever Lama/Guru is best for me.


And what would constitute a legitimate guru suggestion from jesus? Perhaps he's already showing you.

What are you drawn to? What speaks to you? You seem interested in dzogchen, why not hear what it's about from a realized master? There's no commitment, many individuals receive teachings from multiple masters. It's not a blood in blood out type thing.

The only thing that truly creates a heart connection is when/if you choose to receive direct introduction. The teacher who gives you introduction will then always be your root teacher. But that isn't a blood in blood out type thing either.
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:54 am

asunthatneversets wrote:And what would constitute a legitimate guru suggestion from jesus? Perhaps he's already showing you.



If that is true - then I could turn the home office into a place of devotion to studies and ritual meditation.
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