Institutional Buddhism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby heart » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:59 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby heart » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:04 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby heart » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:38 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby xylem » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:51 pm

the tradition is that we examine the teacher. for a long time. his or her qualities. the teachings. the impact the teachings have on us. our karmic connection to the lama. the lama's activities. how the lama treats his or her attendants and students. i personally always weigh very heavily the fruition of the lama's blessings in his/her students. is it a sangha full of chaos and drama? do the senior students have qualities, or they all full of themselves? do the students go on to serious practice and study? are the lama's senior students the type of people i'd like to become re personal qualities and leadership and service to the sangha? once we find a teacher we have total faith in, meaning they pass all of the above tests and examinations, then we can rely on their advice regarding other teachers.

the issue of false teachers is a legitimate one. fake teachers, teachers exaggerating their qualities, abusing their students, making money, molesting their students, teachers with substance abuse problems and other psychiatric issues-- all legitimate. but it's really our responsibility to investigate. i think the expectation that a lama will debrief his or her students re their level of realization and thus ask the students to not consider them a buddha etc. is just passing responsibility from self to other.

i think part of the problem is that we don't interact with lamas in ways that allow us to examine them and build confidence. we read in snowlion (whoops, that's gone) that some lama is giving a teaching, we get in a plane/train/automobile and buy a ticket and get the teachings. maybe we never see the lama again. maybe we see them 1X, 2X a year. it's tough to check out a lama when all you have is a deity card, a protection cord and a few memories from an encounter. it might be equally as difficult to generate much devotion and confidence in our practice with that little amount of contact. it might be ok. we're all different. we all have different strengths of karmic connections different amounts of wisdom. but it might be hard. regardless, the burden is on us, not the lama.

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:13 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby Fa Dao » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:14 pm

:good:
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Institutional Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:15 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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