Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

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Re: Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Postby Anders » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:32 pm

asunthatneversets wrote:Anyone read this? I haven't read this personally, but there's a book called
"Small Boat, Great Mountain: Theravādan Reflections On The Natural Great Perfection"
by Amaro Bhikkhu.

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It's a lovely book. Well worth a read for anyone interested in a Theravada take on Dzogchen.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Postby Astus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:58 am

Anders wrote:An open-minded Theravadin studying descriptions of trekcho would probably equate it with the opening of the Dhamma Eye experienced by stream-entrants. At least those whose depictions of Nirvana are similar such as much of the thai forest tradition and such.


That's what I was talking about when connecting self-liberation with the rise and fall of dhamma. I guess I did it poorly.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:15 pm

Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Ajahn Chah in his book No Ajahn Chah said this:
"I'm always talking about things to develop and things to give up, but, really, there's nothing to develop and nothing to give up."

That is Dzogchen view.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Postby xabir » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:38 pm

asunthatneversets wrote:Anyone read this? I haven't read this personally, but there's a book called
"Small Boat, Great Mountain: Theravādan Reflections On The Natural Great Perfection"
by Amaro Bhikkhu.

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The part explaining Bahiya Sutta is good, it is in my blog too. Though some of the later expressions may be somewhat dualistic.

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Re: Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:33 am

DarwidHalim wrote:Do Theravadins have anything similar to Dzogchen?

Ajahn Chah in his book No Ajahn Chah said this:
"I'm always talking about things to develop and things to give up, but, really, there's nothing to develop and nothing to give up."

That is Dzogchen view.



Tashi delek.

To give up is Ma rigpa and to develop is the correct vision about one's Natural State.
If the Natural State is realised and all day long experienced, then there is nothing anymore to develop and nothing to give up. Last mentioned efforts are mostly undertaken for cleaning ones mind, which in turn does contribute to a better "knowledge" about the different states of Rigpa. Or Ma rigpa is turning slowly into Rigpa.

For many persons do i see an interdependency about talking about the development and the giving up (as path) and not anymore be engaged in those preliminaries

Also here, some don't make use of those preliminaries, which is a free choice of course. :D


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THOUGH A MAN BE LEARNED
IF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGE
HE RESEMBLES THE BLIND MAN
WHO WITH A LAMP IN THE HAND CANNOT SEE THE ROAD


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