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 Post subject: Nakedness
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:26 pm 
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The easiest thing in the world to do is walk naked, and the hardest. We have to take off the clothes we put on in which to admire ourselves. If we don't, then we never see the truth of ourselves. We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Oh my god I just looked and I am naked!


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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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I might have to change all my materials to warn for X-rated content... :thinking:

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Ogyen wrote:
I might have to change all my materials to warn for X-rated content... :thinking:

I could make some jokes, but I don't want to make light of Malcolm's point. It is important. :namaste:

P.S. And I could see this thread just degrading into jokes about being naked (which it probably will anyway).

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Malcolm wrote:
The easiest thing in the world to do is walk naked, and the hardest. We have to take off the clothes we put on in which to admire ourselves. If we don't, then we never see the truth of ourselves. We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.


Agree with everything except the last part. At least for me it can take a good deal of time to get to know someone. Hardest of all getting to know someone wearing a lot of fancy attire. The fancy attire is apparent but not what's behind it.


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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Is that a quote from trungpa?

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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AdmiralJim wrote:
Is that a quote from trungpa?



Nope, it is a quote from Malcolm.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Malcolm wrote:
The easiest thing in the world to do is walk naked, and the hardest. We have to take off the clothes we put on in which to admire ourselves. If we don't, then we never see the truth of ourselves. We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.
If you walk in the street without clothes among people, people will call the police. If dzogchen alone without buddhism/bon, other religion will be called, to make order with the incompatible.


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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Plants are sentient, now nakedness is good; are you becoming a Jain? :tongue:

I like clothes, it keeps you warm, keeps body parts from flopping up and down, it's more sanitary, and it looks nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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I've been in love with the Robert Burns version for ages:

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O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Ok someobdy bust out the oversized pic of Samantabhadra...

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Malcolm wrote:
We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.

I don't believe that man. So far I've met only two people, maybe three, that could see right through me (not including my Vajrayana teachers, though even in this case the only teacher I'm 100% sure could see through me was Norbu Rinpoche). I guess even if we are naked as you say, most people have no eyes to see.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Life is naked, imo.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Pero wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.

I don't believe that man. So far I've met only two people, maybe three, that could see right through me (not including my Vajrayana teachers, though even in this case the only teacher I'm 100% sure could see through me was Norbu Rinpoche). I guess even if we are naked as you say, most people have no eyes to see.


It's just literally true. There are no borders here. Those who can't see you are just too busy admiring their own (imagined) clothes.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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he he he

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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Nakedness allows me to look down on the unemployed. LOL :)

Unlike other people, who may be compassionate, mirrors tell the truth.

If we hold up a mirror to our minds it is seldom a pretty sight.

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A little off topic, but Jetsun Shuksep, Chonyid Wangmo, was ordered to walk around the Bar-khor in Lhasa completely naked which she did. Obviously, Her Teacher took no prisoners.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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A universal or close to it, expression of spiritual insight:

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But the higher part of contemplation, as it may be had
here, hangeth all wholly in this darkness and in this cloud of unknowing; with a loving
stirring and a blind beholding unto the naked being of God Himself only.

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 Post subject: Re: Nakedness
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We are naked to others even if we think we are clothed.


Profoundly true. There is no delusion like self delusion. And of course, at root, it's all self delusion. When I start to notice, just a bit, my own limitations, they turn out to be in many cases things that are obvious to those around me. They're called blind-spots for a reason.


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