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Just War and Buddhism

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:49 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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Metta.

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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If absolutely necessary. The metta wouldnt stop. Metta isnt conditional or earned or unearned.

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby PeterB » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:27 pm

The precepts are broken all right.
The precepts are rules for training. Not the Buddhist version of the ten commandments.
Sometimes its a no win...just the lesser of two evils.

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:30 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby PeterB » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:43 pm

I dont know...but in the example you quoted I was responding to the scenario of the gun being pointed at someone else..a member of my family.

" Rules for training " may or may not be " convenient" as a translation...bit it is an accurate translation. The precepts are not commandments that refer to absolutes. Dont take my word for it.
Kirk5a it has long been my observation that those who advocate an pacifist position are often very angry about it.

Let me make plain. What I am advocating is my thought- through position. I am not attempting to change your mind on the issue. I dont particularly care what you think, and i suggest that you shouldnt particularly care I what I think either.
We are all adults here. We will all come to our own view.


with metta.

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:06 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby PeterB » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:19 pm

I think that the world is actually pretty complex kirk5a. After quite a long time trying to figure out what is or is not compatible with the Buddhas teachings it comes down for me to doing my Vipassana practice as best I can according to my own lights, and not trying to change the world. Some one posted the OP. I responded. I have no investment in the views thereof.
I simply cant see why you care whether my opinion is or is nor compatible with the Buddhas teaching.
As long as you think yours is, thats all you need worry about.
But I sense that actually you think that everyone should agree with one opinion...which happens to be the one that you hold. :lol:

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby cooran » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:11 pm

Hello all,

‘’A country’’ isn’t Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. ‘’An Individual’’ can be.

Governments of a country in which the majority of citizens are said to be Buddhist, is not ‘’a Buddhist government’’. It is simply the government of that country.

The Eightfold Path culminating in Nibbana is not traversed by ‘’a country’’.

It is absolutely clear that the Buddha taught that dhamma-farers should not kill any living being. There is the only thing which he approved of killing.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

In all wars, there have been Conscientious Objectors who stand firm in the face of strong public pressure, and who often work as medics or in some non-combatant role.

Not being enlightened yet, all of us will have ideas of how we would act in a threatening situation. In actual fact, driven by kilesas of delusion, fear or hatred, we may act differently to our ideal. But what the Buddha taught is clear.

We inherit the vipaka of intentional actions, no matter how we justify them. There is no wiggle room.

With karuna,
Chris
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---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

Postby Mr. G » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:10 pm

Even if my body should be burnt to death
In the fires of hell,
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice
- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

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Re: Just War and Buddhism

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