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The Music of Samsara

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The peacocks — with lovely feathers, lovely wings,
Lovely blue necks and lovely faces,
Call out — a lovely song with a lovely sound.
This great earth has lovely waters and grasses;
There are lovely clouds in the sky.

Meditating with a good sound body and a good mind,
It is good to go forth well
In the good teaching of the Buddha.
Experience that highest, unwavering state!
Most pure, subtle, most hard to see.

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When one is an Arahant craving has ceased due to knowing the three marks and the operation of D.O.


If an Arahant hears music then there can be a pleasant feeling but its wisdom based contact, one knows that such a feeling has the three marks and that delight and want for that music is dukkha


The Arahant then, while exp. pleasant feelings if he walks past a house playing music, would not go home and put the radio on. This would be because delight in feelings is craving


Now as to food, an Arahant would eat out of necessity to the body (playing music is not). Hunger arises, which most find a negative feeling. However an Arahant knows that such a feeling has the three marks and that delight/aversion from it would be dukkha, there is wisdom based contact.

The Arahant eats however out of compassion for others, through giving, and compassion for the body, neither wanting to eat nor not wanting to eat, one just eats

The Arahant still goes for alms, just as they did before, no reason to change routine unless you "want to" and if the Alms round never produces anything and the Arahant starves to the death, the Arahant does not mind

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Thank you all for your contributions. Could we please stay on topic?

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As with any of these things, for those who are not monastics, it is not a matter of right or wrong; it is up the individual to decide how much of the monastic injuctions need to be put into place for one's practice, and it should be understood that over the years, one's understandings and the practice grounded in that are going to evolve, change. One of my favorite humorous exchanges in the suttas that might have some releavance here:

Then the Venerable Ananda said to the Blessed One: "How, Lord, should we conduct ourselves towards women?"

"Do not see them, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if we do see them?"

"Do not speak, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if they should speak to us?"

"Then, Ananda, you should establish mindfulness."
- DN 16

While the practice of the Dhamma is a serious thing, one should not be grim, dour or humorless about it.

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[The Buddha:]
I will teach you the Dhamma
— in the here & now,
not quoted words —
knowing which, living mindfully,
you'll cross over beyond
entanglement in the world.

[Mettagu:]
And I relish, Great Seer,
that Dhamma supreme,
knowing which, living mindfully,
I'll cross over beyond
entanglement in the world.

[The Buddha:]
Whatever you're alert to,
above, below,
across, in between:[2]
dispelling any delight,
any laying claim
to those things,
consciousness should not take a stance
in becoming.
The monk who dwells thus
— mindful, heedful —
letting go of his sense of mine,
knowing right here would abandon
birth & aging,
lamentation & sorrow,
stress & suffering.

[Mettagu:]
I relish, Gotama, the Great Seer's words
well-expounded, without acquisition,
for yes, O Blessed One,
you've abandoned stress & suffering
as this Dhamma has
been known by you.
And they, too, would abandon stress & suffering
those whom you, sage,
would admonish unceasingly.
Having met you, I bow down to you,
Great One.
Perhaps you will admonish me
unceasingly.

[The Buddha:]
Whoever you recognize
as a knowledgeable brahman,
possessing nothing,
unentangled
in sensuality & becoming
yes, he has crossed over the flood.
Having crossed to the far shore,
he is without
harshness or doubt.

And any one who has realized,
who is knowledgeable here,
having unentangled the bond
to becoming and non-, [3]
free of craving,
untroubled,
undesiring — he,
I tell you, has crossed over birth
& aging.



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