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Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

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Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby salmon » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:46 am

Some teachers in Thailand use the term "ni-pan noi". It is directly translated as "small nibbana". Any of the Thai dhamma friends here are familiar with this local slang? What's the exact meaning of this term?

Thanks much!

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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby appicchato » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:03 am

My understanding of the term is that it is a 'glimpse' of Nibbana'...while not complete, nor permanent, it's still a glimpse...

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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby salmon » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:53 am

Thanks for that Bhante.

It's interesting that this term is used quite freely in thai teachings. I thought a glimpse of nibbana was what you got when you hit stream entry. Guess I thought wrong haha. I heard "ni-pan noi" mentioned in the same conversation as achieving sunnata in meditation.
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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby Alexei » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:38 am


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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby salmon » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:54 am

Thank you for the link Alexei!
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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby Euclid » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:05 am

With regards to Bhikku Bodhi's words, I was under the impression that nibbana is permanent because nibbana is unconditioned. Am I incorrect?

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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby appicchato » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:58 am

Permanence is a condition, no?...if that is true, or what one believes, and Nibbana not being subject to condition (so were told), where does that leave us?...Bhikkhu Bodhi thinks one way, Buddhadasa Bhikkhu thought another...where's the benefit pondering such matters...does it matter?...

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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby Euclid » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:55 am


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Re: Colloquial Question for Thai Bhantes/Buddhists

Postby Nibbida » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:06 am

"ni-pan noi" sounds like what in Zen is called kensho. I always wondered if there was a Theravada equivalent term.

Is there such a term in Pali too?


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