Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

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Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:57 am

1) What is exactly is Dzogchen?..

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Postby Wesley1982 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:04 am

What makes it statistically more "popular" on Dharma Wheel?..

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Lhug-Pa » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:09 am

Perhaps we ought to say that Dzogchen is the fast, direct, and effortless way to Buddhahood.

H.H. the Dalai Lama has stated for example that Dzogchen is not easy.

And even though Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche wouldn't disagree with the fact that Dzogchen is effortless, I think that he has also said or implied that Dzogchen is not easy.

Not to nitpick, it's just that I think that this is an important subtle distinction to make.

You probably already know what is meant here. I'm saying it for those who are new to the Dzogchen teachings like me.

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Postby Lhug-Pa » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:39 am

Not that I really have an idea of what you would say; yet regardless, I should have noted that what I posted may be a generalization that might not necessarily be true for everyone.

In the Dzogchen teachings it is said that the moments when one has Rigpa of the Nature of Mind, is when Dzogchen is effortless. Yet also that for some it is not always so easy to have Rigpa of the effortless Natural State in every moment. And as Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche has said, the Dzogchen teaching is not Dzogchen; Dzogchen is our Real Nature.

And yeah I should pay more attention to my astrology as well. I've got the Dzogchen Community astrological-calendar books right here that I don't utilize quite enough. Thanks for the reminder. :idea:
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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:15 am

Dzogchen is at the same time the object, the path and the fruit.

In Buddhism it is based on the testament of Garab Dorjé, the 3 statements:
1) Direct Introduction
2) Not remain in darkness
3) Progress until full stabilization

It means that it starts with the Direct Introduction received by a real Dzogchen Master ... there is no other entry point. What ever was your path before has no effect on Dzogchen.
Once introduced, Dzogchen practitioner goes on eliminating all doubts and progress until all doubts are eliminated.

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:22 am

:good: ... well said

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:10 pm

The perfect thread :thumbsup:

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:12 am

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:30 am

2) Does correct Dzogchen practice produce a visible buddha?..

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:54 am

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Pls introduce me to Dzogchen

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:52 am

3) It seems like the world of Buddhism produces a garden variety of different types of Buddhists, why would Dzogchen be suitable for me?

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Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:21 am

The best meditation is no meditation

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