My Open Message to Gyatrul Rinpoche

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Re: My Open Message to Gyatrul Rinpoche

Postby Ogyen » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:24 pm

All Buddhist/Non-Buddhist issues aside. What you got dragged up into is part of the . By framing you as they did, you are pretty much at the mercy of authorities as they see fit to process your case... you can be deemed guilty before having a chance to be proven innocent. Yes, it is a license for the US Govt to pretty much do ANYTHING they want without due process or justification. To see it from another (maybe more cynical perspective), you got lucky. You could have been detained without explanation or without being provided with recourse. It's happened already to many people who in the wrong place wrong time get swept up in a raid, round up, etc... and 6 months later people don't know where they are or what even happened.

If there are allegations serious enough (founded or not) you are in the serious position of not necessarily having a phone call. Thank you broken justice system. Sure, there are 'laws'... but matters of national security supersede any federal jurisdiction due to DHS's reach. Now, sadly, anyone can make an anonymous phone call claiming xyz person has this or that illegal/dangerous activity that falls in terr*ist speculations, and voila, there's a knock on your door in a pre-dawn round up.

Ideal: Freedom of Speech. Reality: No, you cannot say what you want. You think you can. Welcome to 1984 in the making. You have experienced the hard way that it is NOT a system that lends itself to freedom of speech but in name. There are serious consequences for telling the 'wrong person' to F*** off. You were harassed, continue to be harassed, and no one in a position to actually help you seems to give a damn about your position. You're here posting in a forum, where we're pretty much useless except to talk to you, but it's unlikely anyone can change the situation here. Unless we have a solid lawyer among us...?

So what does one in your position do? My advice, keep fighting however you can. But be knowledgeable about what it will/could cost you and how much nastier it can still get with a precedent of (false) allegations... The precedent now matters more than the truth of those allegations made. Be realistic about what your resources, the mental stress on you in the long run, and that the system is not necessarily on your side, made up of a bunch of ppl doing their jobs to make their own ends meet and with practically corporate directives in a supposed system of justice. $$ is the name of the game, my friend. Stay courageous. Educate yourself. Be ready.

On a personal note, I am saddened. Gyatrul Rinpoche is the founder of the sangha where I take refuge. I am seeing everyday more and more of the worldly politics in the Institution of Buddhism. Perhaps it's why I'm still leary of "signing on" with a root guru until I know that teacher reallly really really really well... I am a refuge student of Lama Dawa whom I have certainty verified for myself is an authentic, qualified teacher. But I am still uncomfortable with all politics where the spiritual path is concerned. I am also a (destructive) cult-survivor, and never forget what I was born to and escaped, or what horrors I've witnessed in the name of "God" carried out by very ignorant humans suffering inflicting their pain and vision of religion righteousness on others.

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Re: My Open Message to Gyatrul Rinpoche

Postby Nemo » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:52 pm

We are not powerless against a cultist who is disliked by her own lineage. As hateful and vindictive as the group may be this site has over 2000 members. They do not have the resources to hate everyone on the internet.

They also fear the truth. I invited them to this thread to defend their shameful predations on fellow Buddhists. 14 guests showed up within minutes. Not a single comment. With a business model that relies on milking the naive they actually have very little power. They are just bullies who have been given too much freedom to abuse. A public scolding will shut that tap off and they know it.

How much did hiring that boutique law firm to put Cassidy in jail for the tweets of Nydia cost anyway? Were those donations meant for the ordained and building the stupa? Wouldn't want the sponsors to know about that. They wouldn't understand that kind of "Buddha Activity" by an enlightened Tulku.

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Postby Ogyen » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:53 pm

Agreed Nemo - that's why I say, stay courageous, keep fighting it best you can.

But there are two discussions going on - one concerns the internet, the other this person's private life. What resources can our friend realistically leverage to get out of this? The internet is full of anonymous haters. For every person you inform, there will be another dupe who falls prey to their propaganda. But his consequences weren't on the internet... they raided his home. No amount of 'telling the truth' helped him there, did it?

I agree and disagree with the point of this site having 2000 members. Many aren't even in the US. This issue is not even a Buddhist issue, it is a human rights issue. Internet activism can often be useful and just as quickly slacktivism. Awareness and realism is key. Idealism and internet 'activism' only go so far. I agree that we are not powerless, but (the royal) we also need to be very educated in terms of exactly what resources are available as well as the what the 'long haul' looks like in getting out of the REAL life damages already caused by these people who have clearly set their crosshairs on him. Awareness is key to combat all ignorance.

mujushinkyo - If they have such "deep pockets" and clearly can waste time and money targeting you, couldn't you sue them for damages and defamation of character? That would only be right to clear yourself of this once and for all legally. Because otherwise the record shows their side, and puts a legal precedent in yours. The only way to make a bully back down is to let them take the full consequences of their actions - again, if you can afford to see it all the way through... I don't know what your resources are for this, and I'm not a lawyer. But the long term consequences of their actions towards you could be very serious to you in future employment, spiritual path, reputation, etc... you know... real life stuff... You need to protect yourself too. He said, he said only goes so far and doesn't prevent the FBI from knocking on your door, clearly.
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Re: My Open Message to Gyatrul Rinpoche

Postby Nemo » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:44 pm

They have deep pockets. Not bottomless pockets. They must have spent 250,000$ prosecuting William Cassidy. They hired Micheal Jackson's child molestation defense attourney to defend them from Nydia's restraining order in 2009. They hired a child molestation defense expert to defend Palzang. Knowing full well he was guilty. That is rumoured to be one of the reasons why Nydia left in the first place. My hope is that eventually the truth gets out and the donation boxes stop filling.

The core Sangha must be 50+, Jetsumna is 62. They can't use sex or glamour anymore. Their working Sangha's careers are at their apex or past it and they have no nest eggs for retirement. It's all been spent already and they have signed waivers that let KPC off the hook for looking after them in their old age. With no credibility they get no donations. With no donations they are only a threat to themselves.

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Re: My Open Message to Gyatrul Rinpoche

Postby Karma Dorje » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:36 pm

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Postby Nemo » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:22 am

I was small as a kid. Parents were considering growth hormone treatments back when they still came from cadavers. Obviously I was bullied often at school. A Cuban featherweight champ was staying with us. One day I came home after school crying. After his training lets just say I didn't get bullied much anymore.

I eventually grew to over 5'11". But I still remember what it is like to be bullied.

This is one of the emails Jetsumna's attendant sent William Cassidy a few years ago.
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"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Postby Kunzang » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:27 am

I think all the moderators are offline (I hope they are sleeping well). So they're not able to respond to this right now.

One of the KPC (simhamuka) has decided to keep this "cyberwar" tactic of posting comments to old threads in the Nyingma as a way to try and bury the "Open Letter To Gyatrul Rinpoche" thread all night long.

I tried to put out the peace flag in my last post, but it didn't work.

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