I never said anyone had to change anything. That is not the principle of Dzogchen. Buddhists do not have to change being Buddhist, Xtians do not have to change being Xtians, Hindus do not have to change being Hindus, etc. If they are interested enough to practice Dzogchen, all they have to do is receive introduction and apply the practice, but they don't have change a thing.
That concept of "samaya breakers" only functions in the Buddhist world. This kind of thing is all completely relative.
username wrote:Like when Mariusz asked if a believer of other traditions denying emptiness can receive the whole of Dzogchen transmissions and go through the four visions while holding on to those contradictory beleifs. You said he can receive all of Dzogchen Transmissions.
Right, he can.
So please excuse me if I take liberties, but I am only trying to do something akin to what Nagarjuna was so good at: look at a proposition and take it to it's logical extreme. In this case, along with other quotes and their context about Dzogchen being not Buddhist, being beyond cause and effect, as well as the two stages etc. I assume (correct me if I am wrong Malcolm) that you intend to contradict Guru Rinpoche's famous quote "My view is as high as the sky, but my attention to actions and their consequences is a fine as barely flour"
I recently watched a grotesque new film a friend-of-a-friend made documenting haitian voodoo gatherings..The Pierced Heart and the Machete... http://vimeo.com/42460771 pretty nutso stuff..possessions, zombies, many animal sacrifices...cool film but made me really happy I knew the mantra OM MANI PADME HUM to employ while watching. It reminded me of someone saying (hahaha I think it may have been you Malcolm) ChNN said to avoid the Candomblé Brazilian cults that have the same roots.. because he said they are worshiping gyalpos, so are pervaded with that energy... Now how does this work with all this rhetoric that any religion can come and study Dzogchen? Do you mean with ChNN, or just as an abstract concept? Because ChNN is very anti-dogyal, his book on Guru Drakpur is very explicit about this.. so NKT people and Voodoo people can all join Dzogchen Community and practice Guru Yoga of White Ah and reach realization, and keep their other beliefs? No prob? Sacrifice animals too? Am I missing something? I somehow don't think ChNN would agree with you here, but I am happy to be proven wrong.