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Osho's awakening

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Osho's awakening

Postby budo » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:41 pm

I'm not sure if any of you follow Osho, I like to watch his videos. Maybe some of you have already read this article, but here is something very interesting to note, I read this article a few years before I encountered Buddhism, before I knew of impermanence, no-self, and dukkha. Having reread this now I can understand his analogies of the bicycle, the mirage, and of ego as karma, impermanence and no-self. My gain in insight from Buddhism has made me understand this article on a new level. I hope it motivates and inspires you as much as it motivates and inspires me.

Enjoy!



Source: http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0015.htm
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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:16 pm

Hello budo, all,

This might also be of interest:

Osho on Buddhism
http://www.satrakshita.be/osho_on_buddhism.htm

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:15 pm

I guess there enough legitimate Buddhist teachers out there that someone as questionable as Chandra Mohan Jain does not really interest me.

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:59 am

Hello all,

For those interested - fascinating information on Osho, born Chandra Mohan Jain (Hindi: चन्द्र मोहन जैन) (11 December 1931 – 19 January 1990), also known as Acharya Rajneesh from the 1960s onwards, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh during the 1970s and 1980s and Osho in 1989:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_(Bhag ... e_Rajneesh)

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:01 am

Hello anicca,

And possibly much of it not even true. :tongue:

Fascinating isn’t it?

Here is a counter argument in this:

CHRISTOPHER CALDER, KRISHNA CHRIST AND HIS LYING OR MISINFORMED "LOST TRUTH".
A response to Mr. Calder´s “Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh and the Lost Truth” By Anthony Thompson Ph. D.


Excerpt:
I can only suppose or guess what is Mr. Calder motivation. But from his writing I feel that he is basically hurt. Perhaps he felt cheated by Osho, perhaps he felt stupid believing in what he said, perhaps as he states it, he felt Acharya Rajneesh lost the way, or perhaps, honestly, he felt that the man was wrong and he felt compelled to lead a crusade against this “criminal demential, liar”. I do not know.

But what I do know is that as far as second hand information I have closer and more reliable ones: The actual people involved in the stories he tells. And, of course, bibliographical references for the quotes I use. Not just words I assume I heard, or heard someone else saying them. I insist: A quote without a reference is a lie. And Mr Calder lies a lot.
http://truthaboutosho.blogspot.com/

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:09 am

So, "Osho" was an okay guy and his outfit was an okay organization?

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:13 am

Hello tilt,

I have no idea, but it is a very interesting topic.

What is your experience with the man? What is your detailed opinion? Did you ever meet him? Have you studied his teachings?

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Re: Osho's awakening

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:33 am

I remember reading a piece of nonsense that Osho wrote. He basicaly answered the question "Why are there more male teachers than females?" saying that when a person gets enlightened that person is 99% enlightened so the remaining desire to become a teacher is stronger in males than in females.

That, along with his giberish and active meditations, was enough for me to discard him as a false teacher.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:00 am

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby budo » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:18 am

Please, let us not judge people for who they are or what they've done, at the end of the day we do not know for ourselves the truth about others because we were never there to experience it first hand. I posted the article for everyone to enjoy, to learn from, to see the relation with Buddhism thought. Instead, people focused on the negative aspects thinking it means anything, thinking there is value, but I must state there is no value in negativity, because negativity can be found anywhere, no one is perfect, we all have faults, therefore to judge someone and focus on their negative aspects is easy, does not require skill and does not help anyone, it is very unskillful. In fact negativity destroys things, it takes things that are beautiful and magnifies their defects and taints them so no one else can enjoy the beauty, this is greedy, you have taken pleasure away from others. It doesn't matter how many Buddhist teachers you know or have, you can call yourself Buddhist, or whatever you want, but as long as you are unskillful in your ways, the reality is you are no different than every other person on this planet who makes no effort.

I find the article speaks to me, I find a lot of what Osho says speaks to me, just like what the Buddha says speaks to me, I don't care about Osho's past, I don't care about what he has done, we are all guilty of things. To know this is to know compassion.

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:21 am

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:55 am

Hello MP,

Did you enter the video link correctly?

Can you watch it from your post? or is it just me?

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:08 am

Hi Chris,

I think the embedding didn't work. Here's the direct link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 224559004#

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:18 am

Thanks Mike - I think :tongue:

Hmmm .... not a form of meditation I plan to use. There MUST be more to his teachings though ... surely ....

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Re: Osho's awakening

Postby bodom » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:37 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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