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is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

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is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:46 am

IMO, it is always okay (in fact, good) to test ideas as we encounter them, and always permissible (and often good) to criticise them if they don't measure up.
At the very mundane level, if someone tells me carrots are purple, I'll tell them they are wrong.
When it comes to Buddhism, it's hard to be so categorical. There are a lot of ideas and techniques which are widely respected and can't, therefore, be dismissed as 'wrong' - and differences between schools are high on that list. But it's also true that members of every school do make false, half-true or misleading statements from time to time and those should be criticised/corrected when possible - respectfully and gently, of course, but firmly.
As for karmic consequences, saying that what is true is untrue is lying, which is never a good thing. Steering people away from a good path is also not a good thing to do. But, in the context of what you quoted, assenting to an untruth or half-truth is also not a good thing.
A statement is not entitled to special treatment just because it is made under the umbrella of 'Buddhism'.
I guess it comes back to being careful about what you say: if you do your best to be truthful and compassionate, you'll generally be okay.
:namaste:
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Postby cooran » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:42 am

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby robertk » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:45 am

Dear Tilt
I don't feel guilty about any points I have ever made about the Goenka technique (or mahasi, pa auk, Dhammakaya, sunlun, maha boowa, etc..) .
That doesn't mean my points were right of course.
The lengthy critiques I made on esangha (now all gone ) about some of Thanissaro's ideas could have been purley misguided.
As could my belief that the Buddha never taught a technique that is or leads to vipassana.

But what I am asking on this thread is if it is always wrong to criticise any past or current Buddhist beliefs or techniques?

I do accept that if indeed Mr. Goenka's technique is the one that was handed down by the Buddha to an elite group of disciples then anything -other than applause and testimonials to its truth- might be causing great harm to the whole sasana.
And the same goes if it was Dhammakaya that is the true technique (as I was told a year ago at Wat Dhammakaya here in bangkok).

For that matter if (as some believe) the Dalai Lama is the incarnation of some type of Bodhisatta/buddha then my dismissals of Tibetan buddhsim must be weighty kamma too I guess?

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Re: is ever ok to criticize any Buddhist idea or technique?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:33 am

So, testimonials are not a reliable guide as to what is good Dhamma, but testimonials are not a good basis for rejecting something as not being good Dhamma.


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Postby robertk » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:42 am

Dear venerable,
Actually that brings up an interesting point. Pa auk's book ( at least the one that was critical of mahasi method) was banned in Myanmar by the religious council.
What is your opinion - or for that matter- anyones opinion, on that?
Robert

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