Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Cone,
Quite the contrary. I go even further than you. Buddhism is just a necessary shell for many which reappears in different forms by different Buddhas. It is just a finger pointing and even it's target moon is illusory. 1) We should respect the condition of many non buddhists but also buddhists. Not just one side. 2) My position is not what you think. I go even further, even Dzogchen/Essence Mahamudra are just shells too. Shells true, yet the best things and concepts and medtitations and path or anything fathomable in existence anywhere, specially in 13 lucky world systems in our large sector and not reappearing in all eras in future either as in the past.

My mantra here has been ChNNR LIKE ALL RINPOCHES WELCOMES ALL REGARDLESS INTO HIS TEACHINGS. Then what happens is different for each person. Sure you can get DI realization first time but if you want to progress you NEED MINMUM ONGOING SHORT ATI GURU YOGA and for maintanance and progression to advanced levels even more practice. Truth be told, my position is much more radical than what yours is. Like I said, the best path after recieving DI or mahamudra pointing out and starting practices like all nirmanakayas of past, is actually our 24/7 daily lives moment to moment as well as certain noble but not necessarily "Buddhist" disciplines. I agree with you and even go further so quite the contrary. But everything in it's place and lets respect all sides' conditions not just one side at the expense of others. Unlike you guys I gave up my all my paraphernalia and most do not know what I believe or practice.

All the best.

[Silent Bob]

WOW!! this has been going on now for quite some time. Some people are really getting fired up. Not my place to take a side or say who is right or wrong. But at some point dont we all have to ask ourselves "is all of this bickering really helping anyone?" (and it truly has turned into bickering) Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and just move on to more productive discussions? Just a thought.....

Well, Mr. Smarty-Pants, you are wrong once again! This is not bickering, not at all, though it may appear that way to the unlettered. It will be recognized in years to come as the First Internet Council of the Wise, where the future direction of Buddhadharma was decided and the tulku system abolished.

[Malcolm]

WOW!! this has been going on now for quite some time. Some people are really getting fired up. Not my place to take a side or say who is right or wrong. But at some point dont we all have to ask ourselves "is all of this bickering really helping anyone?" (and it truly has turned into bickering) Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and just move on to more productive discussions? Just a thought.....

Well, Mr. Smarty-Pants, you are wrong once again! This is not bickering, not at all, though it may appear that way to the unlettered. It will be recognized in years to come as the First Internet Council of the Wise, where the future direction of Buddhadharma was decided and the tulku system abolished.

Oh hell bob, now you've gone and spoilt everthang. Iffen we cain't bicker, what else is we gonna do in our dilbert cubes???

[greentreee]

WOW!! this has been going on now for quite some time. Some people are really getting fired up. Not my place to take a side or say who is right or wrong. But at some point dont we all have to ask ourselves "is all of this bickering really helping anyone?" (and it truly has turned into bickering) Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and just move on to more productive discussions? Just a thought.....

Well, Mr. Smarty-Pants, you are wrong once again! This is not bickering, not at all, though it may appear that way to the unlettered. It will be recognized in years to come as the First Internet Council of the Wise, where the future direction of Buddhadharma was decided and the tulku system abolished.

well, sir wise ass, in the name of all things bob, if your last sentense were true, we would be in the fnord.

[asunthatneversets]

Please, let's keep the bickering constructive, because otherwise the moderators are gonna shut this shop down and all of this is far too entertaining for that to happen!

[Mr. G]

Please, let's keep the bickering constructive, because otherwise the moderators are gonna shut this shop down....

This topic is about to be locked for 3 incalculable eons.

[conebeckham]

Unlike you guys I gave up my all my paraphernalia and most do not know what I believe or practice.

Okay, then.

But I gave up my paraphernalia years ago...after my mom found my bong stashed away in the attic.

[greentreee]

Please, let's keep the bickering constructive, because otherwise the moderators are gonna shut this shop down....

This topic is about to be locked for 3 incalculable eons.

not if i can help it! you can't hate puppy pictures!!



it's a dog eat dog world no?

[Silent Bob]

WOW!! this has been going on now for quite some time. Some people are really getting fired up. Not my place to take a side or say who is right or wrong. But at some point dont we all have to ask ourselves "is all of this bickering really helping anyone?" (and it truly has turned into bickering) Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and just move on to more productive discussions? Just a thought.....

Well, Mr. Smarty-Pants, you are wrong once again! This is not bickering, not at all, though it may appear that way to the unlettered. It will be recognized in years to come as the First Internet Council of the Wise, where the future direction of Buddhadharma was decided and the tulku system abolished.

well, sir wise ass, in the name of all things bob, if your last sentense were true, we would be in the fnord.

You must not know who you're talking to...

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Furthermore, you should never use the word fnord in a public forum!

[greentreee]

You must not know who you're talking to... Furthermore, you should never use the word fnord in a public forum!

i never professed to know you. i am neither in discord nor not in discord with fnord, i honestly cannot play an accordian or the discordian. all i see are pixels and i try to read between them.

as i recall once reading from a teacher of Buddhism, "Going too far can be worse than not going far enough."

take it easy!

[Fa Dao]

yes yes...I think perhaps you two missed your calling...you should give up being practitioners and take your show on the road...The Malcolm and Bob Comedy Hour!! Just think of it, you two could be the next Laurel and Hardy, the next Abbot and Costello, the next Penn and Teller!!!

[Sönam]

as i recall once reading from a teacher of Buddhism, "Going too far can be worse than not going far enough."

take it easy!

this is a good thought, it's like ... "Not going far enough can be worse than going too far"

Sönam

[muni]

BOLLYWOOD. There the movie producer is seen.

[Simon E.]

yes yes...I think perhaps you two missed your calling...you should give up being practitioners and take your show on the road...The Malcolm and Bob Comedy Hour!! Just think of it, you two could be the next Laurel and Hardy, the next Abbot and Costello, the next Penn and Teller!!!

Why on earth would that mean having "to give up their practice ? "
The Hahayana is no more a barrier than any other yana per se.

[Tara]

Topic locked and under review.

Regards,