Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Sherlock » Mon May 28, 2012 11:31 am

Sherlock wrote:I found this. They don't have a pic of Changchub Dorje either, just a statue of him, but his granddaughter is there.



If you read this link and scroll down, there's a line about Changchub Dorje teaching that cutting a branch off a tree takes a year off one's life, interesting.

Another link to Rinchen Samdrup, according to this, he transcribed all of Changchub Dorje's surviving texts/

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Sherlock » Tue May 29, 2012 4:41 am

asunthatneversets wrote:
Will wrote:Thanks Sunny, I hope a photograph will turn up also.


Maybe there's an old photograph of Rinpoche somewhere that has Changchub Dorje in it... this is one of the oldest photos I've seen of ChNN:

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I'm sure taking photos was probably a rare occasion but you never know there could be one out there somewhere.



The old woman(?) is not his grandmother, she died when he was nine, I just read this from the Odzer Chenma booklet.

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Bhusuku » Tue May 29, 2012 3:19 pm

Sherlock wrote:Another link to Rinchen Samdrup, according to this, he transcribed all of Changchub Dorje's surviving texts/

One quick question: I've read that Changchub Dorje could not (or only barely) read and write. So who wrote all of these 8000 pages of texts mentioned in the link above?

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Sherlock » Tue May 29, 2012 3:22 pm

His disciples probably, like ChNN. Actually I think it's unclear if he was really illiterate or just unschooled in all the classical literature. I hope the Communists only destroyed his discs and the texts are still somewhere.

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Arnoud » Tue May 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Bhusuku wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Another link to Rinchen Samdrup, according to this, he transcribed all of Changchub Dorje's surviving texts/

One quick question: I've read that Changchub Dorje could not (or only barely) read and write. So who wrote all of these 8000 pages of texts mentioned in the link above?


Probably his scribes. Tertons often had scribes. They would read aloud what they saw in their visions and scribes would write it down.

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Malcolm » Tue May 29, 2012 3:26 pm

Sherlock wrote:His disciples probably, like ChNN. Actually I think it's unclear if he was really illiterate or just unschooled in all the classical literature. I hope the Communists only destroyed his discs and the texts are still somewhere.



ChNN has a complete collection of all surviving manuscripts that made it through cultural revolution.
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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Bhusuku » Tue May 29, 2012 3:41 pm

Sherlock wrote:His disciples probably, like ChNN. Actually I think it's unclear if he was really illiterate or just unschooled in all the classical literature. I hope the Communists only destroyed his discs and the texts are still somewhere.

Thanks, Sherlock & Clarence!

Malcolm wrote:ChNN has a complete collection of all surviving manuscripts that made it through cultural revolution.

I'm glad to hear that! But this guy, Rinchen Samdrup, has (or had?) even more texts from Changchub Dorje? Because from this blog post it's really not that clear, if everything he had has been destroyed, or if they only burned the cds...

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Sally Gross » Wed May 30, 2012 10:07 pm

Clarence wrote:
Bhusuku wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Another link to Rinchen Samdrup, according to this, he transcribed all of Changchub Dorje's surviving texts/

One quick question: I've read that Changchub Dorje could not (or only barely) read and write. So who wrote all of these 8000 pages of texts mentioned in the link above?


Probably his scribes. Tertons often had scribes. They would read aloud what they saw in their visions and scribes would write it down.


In one of Rinpoche's books (I think it is The Crystal and the Way of Light) there is a line-drawing of Changchub Dorje. In the background there is a window, thorugh which ChNNR is shown taking dictation from Changchub Dorje. According to ChNNR, Changchub Dorje would dictate to students who knew how to write, and did so with notable clarity and fluency despite interruptions when patients came to consult him.
Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Bhusuku » Wed May 30, 2012 10:18 pm

Sally Gross wrote:In one of Rinpoche's books (I think it is The Crystal and the Way of Light) there is a line-drawing of Changchub Dorje. In the background there is a window, thorugh which ChNNR is shown taking dictation from Changchub Dorje. According to ChNNR, Changchub Dorje would dictate to students who knew how to write, and did so with notable clarity and fluency despite interruptions when patients came to consult him.

Thank you, Sally! Now that you're mentioning it, I remember vaguely that I read this myself long ago.

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Re: Nyala Rinpoche Rigdzin Changchub Dorje

Postby Sherlock » Thu May 31, 2012 5:38 am

That's the drawing asunthatneversets posted on page 1. Yes, it's from Crystal.


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