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Agganna Sutta

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:29 am

I see. As I said our practical experience is not the same--I didn't say that mine was 40+, I have only 3+ in this lifetime.
So, you say that the Buddha did not explain a cosmological system?
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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Re: Agganna Sutta

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Re: Agganna Sutta

Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:51 pm

Human beings, in this plane of existence, have always been the humans on this world. When they devolved from higher states and gross living matter (mold, fungi, r. plants, complex plants) evolved to generate a stable biological ecosystem into the continued evolution phase (where we are now), what human beings were was not biologically similar to what we are now, in the evolved phase. The world was evolving, higher beings were becoming what we are now. I am not claiming that there was a separate human species in the past, but that the human species was quite differently physiologically during the evolving phase. Make sense?
Thank you for at least listening to my explanation.
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Re: Agganna Sutta

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Re: Agganna Sutta

Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:41 pm

I think that's what I said a human being is.
I think that the theory of evolution as explained by spontaneous generation is "new age white-noise". I don't think that what I'm positing is correct, it's just an inference. The Buddha knew how humans appeared on earth, but he didn't explain it explicitly for a modern scientific context, did he? Therefore I don't know how human beings appear on a world during the evolving phase. I don't refute scientific evidence throw the Agganna Sutta on the top of the book-pile. I'm just reasoning. If that's not how humans arise, then fine. We can't ask the Buddha to explain it to us in our context, he is gone.
I didn't take any offense, but I don't want to mislead anyone.
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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.


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