alpha wrote:I would be curious to know if there is such thing as the "experience of illusion" and how that feels? Isn't it that an "experience" of any kind is something temporary,illusory in itself and it happens within the field of rigpa and the more powerful an experience(illusion) is the more obvious will be the knowledge ?
I have also a question to those more experienced.
Can one arrive at knowledege of one's state by simply inferring illusion?
I would be curious to know if there is such thing as the "experience of illusion" and how that feels?
In my experience there is
such a thing as the "ah ha" moment - the experience of illusion. It does have a subtle feeling. It is like being in a dark room, and knowing your surroundings only by touch, and then then turning on the light. Nothing has changed, but everything has changed. It is not a big deal and is a capacity that everybody has. In my experience, this is found most easily through the dark retreat. I like the dark retreat very much. It is good for lazy, simple minded, practitioners like me. Other people will have other favorite practices. Here I am not referring to the experience of enlightenment, because I do not know what that is about (though I feel that the Buddha seed is in all sentient beings, even me.
I should also mention that the dark retreat is not for everybody. One very experienced practitioner left after a short time, because it was uncomfortable. This is completely correct. We should always work with our circumstances and our limits and not force anything. We don't practice the precious Dharma to be miserable. Please forgive a small redirect. I think it may be more beneficial to look at "happiness" than to seek an "experience" of illusion.http://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Guide-D ... 290&sr=1-1
Isn't it that an "experience" of any kind is something temporary,illusory in itself and it happens within the field of rigpa and the more powerful an experience(illusion) is the more obvious will be the knowledge ?
Yes and yes. If you are in the state of Rigpa then your temporary, illusory, experiences arise in in that state. It may be slightly less dualistic-speak to say that your experiences are "informed by Rigpa" when you are in the state of Rigpa. At some point words (any words) do not work. Like writing on air. But words are how our ordinary mind expresses itself and so we use them to talk about our experiences beyond words.
[color=#0040FF]I have also a question to those more experienced.
In the fullness of time, (billions and billions of rebirths) we are all very experienced. The fact that in this life, I have done some practice or had some "experiances" does not give me the spiritual high ground over anybody. If I teach again, face to face, it will be in the form of a circle with no one higher than anyone else. This is how I shared the teachings of CHNNR with the circle of students of Mr. Anderson when I brought his precious Teachings to Conway in 1981-1982. I made the trip from NYC to Conway, by bus, six times before we invited ChNNR to visit. We sat in a circle and we took turns reading from the "black book", a transcript of a collection of Teachings that ChNNR had given in Europe. I know that this is not the same as "old king hierarchical style", that Easterners, and some Westerners, are happy with, " but the times they are a-changing." This is why Lord Buddha taught 84,000 (means a lot of) different teachings (so that there would be something for everybody.Can one arrive at knowledege of one's state by simply inferring illusion?
Since i do not have "knowledge of my own state" nor do i have the ability to "infer" illusion, how can i speak to such a question?
Maybe by inferring an answer.
Many years ago I had heard that Jeffery Hopkins was the only Westerner who could posit emptiness. I thought, hurrah for Jeffery, and because of my Bodhisattva vow, I thought, hmnnnn--- one less that I have to worry about, and I was happy to hear about Jeffery. Then my ordinary mind kicked in and I thought, well that is very nice for Jeffery, but what about for the rest of us? I was quite sure that I did not have Jeffery's intellectual capacity, or big heart. So I took my Bodhisattva vow under the Bodhi tree at Bodh Gaya, from HH the Dalai Lama, studied with many of the great old ones of the Nyingmapas and did a LCNT and HH Dudjom Rinpoche Nundro while living in a Gelugpa monastery. Then being really saddened by what I saw in Dharma centers, I made a
BIG PRAYER TO THE UNIVERSE (should be written as big as the universe) TO FIND A TEACHER WHO WALKED THE WALK.
The universe connected me with ChnNNR and I was no longer jealous of Jeffery. I have heard that Jeffery went on from positing emptiness to practice with some of the great Dzogchen masters of our time, and so I consider that Jeffery should be also be considered a Dzogchen Master as well. I believe he will be attending the Rimed Monlam coming up next weekend at the Garrison Institute.http://www.garrisoninstitute.org/index. ... Itemid=998http://www.uma-tibet.org/index.php
I mention Jeffery, because I believe that he would be the best person to answer your question.
Now to answer your question (through inference) with my limited understanding:
Why do some people like blueberry gelato better than strawberry gelato, and vv?
Or --- Is enlightenment sudden or gradual?
--- and the truly profound question of "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
Note: for young folks - this last is a place holder for the ineffability of ANY intellectual pursuit. It is written as a question, but pronounced as a statement of fact.
Heisenberg meets Dzogchen.
May this help someone!!!
May the Dzogchen Masters (and everyone else) live long, in good health and with success in all things.
Good fortune to all and ALL!