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The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

Postby ground » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:29 am

What can be nicely detected in this forum is that there is really a bunch of views within the Theravada. So any statement like "The Thervada is this or that" is incorrect because actually one would have to say "This Thervada practitioner has this or that view which may be cagtegorized as this or that". But this of course holds true for what is called here "the Mahayana" as well.
Therefore the only consistent way to look at things in the context of this thread is to analyse statements or assertions of individual practitioners and therefore as to the "Mahayana/non-Mahayana" differentiation the only consistent way of differentiation is the motivation of the individual practitioner regardless of what tradition/school she/her is following.

But of course the "Mahayana/non-Mahayana" differentiation I make here is from a Mahayana perspective. If I would say "This Theravada practitioner is a Mahayana practitioner" the Theravada practitioner referred to would perhaps feel appropriated or - due to sectarian conditioning - even offended.

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Postby Cloud » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:01 am

Yes, rather than use Mahayana to describe practitioners of other schools, perhaps refer to the specific "intent" by the word "bodhicitta" instead.

A Theravada practitioner, a Mahayana practitioner and a Vajrayana practitioner should all be held equal if their intent is the same... for the well-being of all beings and not just their own. This keeps the divisive fighting between schools out of the equation. Even if one has selfish intent at the outset, the opening of the eye of Dharma will change one's perspective soon enough. This is unavoidable; one cannot awaken without at the same time developing boundless compassion for all life.

It should not be regarded as offensive if one should call upon the compassionate view and intent of "bodhicitta" by all who seek awakening; as we've already seen, saying that one of another school is Mahayana or non-Mahayana is not taken well. :) Mahayana is a collection of teachings and a viewpoint or focus upon an ideal that it considers the most noble, but it is not about schools... it's about the people, and the school that is chosen does not reflect selfish intent, neither necessarily an unselfish one. It more than not reflects a temperament, as each school varies in many ways the same as each individual does. We all follow the Buddha's teachings, or at least what we personally consider to be the best teachings to guide us (all) toward liberation.

The fighting, the judging, is just not worth the effort. All that it does is tighten the knots of clinging and of aversion.

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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

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Re: The specific differences between Mahayana and Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:44 pm

Firstly I didn't say it was a sect, secondly I didn't say they possessed a doctrine that there was no Buddha, I said that I have seen Mahayanists who have attempted to discredit the idea of a historical Buddha by taking up the position of agnosticism, for the purposes of an argument. I then qualified this by speculating upon what their personal view was more likely to be. Please do not misinterpret what I am saying.

The posts I am referring to are buried somewhere in this forum, perhaps from around January this year, and I will suss them out in my own time. My post was highly inflammatory and designed to be so, but I find it interesting that again we're going down a tangent instead of addressing the real issue - Authenticity.

Edit: This is the thread I was speaking of: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3064&hilit=historical+buddha&start=140
You'll find a post of mine in a similar vein (if not more friendly and humble than I am these days) about halfway down, and the responses that follow, not just from the Ven. Huifeng but also from others have helped shape my opinion on this. To clarify it seems I have wrongly attributed (in my own mind) at least one clear cut statement to bhante, which is otherwise present on the following page (page 9) by another practitioner but I still feel the general drift of the response conforms to what I thought it had.

As I can feel a sh*tstorm brewing (and boy do I deserve some flack for this) I have to say that this particular point is tangential to what the point I am trying to make, it is an example of sidestepping the issue - Authenticity.

The most important thing for me is that there was a being who knew and saw the way the mind really works, he knew and saw the way the world and existence operate, he had knowledge and understanding beyond any other being and he offered a teaching that would lead to an end to suffering, this is evidenced to me in the Nikayas of the Pali Canon. A lot of time has passed since he ceased to be and my quest is to find out what he really taught. This is because I do not believe that everything out there is what the Buddha himself had said and if he has not said it nor endorsed it, being the supreme teacher, is it really worth practicing? It is clear to me that if it didn't come from a Buddha, or an Ariya, then it must be taken with a grain of salt and this is the line to which I slice my Dhamma-pie. I know what I have said will offend some, and for that I apologize to you, I have not exercised right speech, but I have said it nevertheless and I will be the one to experience it's results.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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