Before you brought up about carnivores, "is it ok for them to eat meat"? The dharmic supporters of carnism like you tried to guilt vegetarians that they did not do the impossible by not killing bugs or micro-organisms.
First of all, I am not guilt-tripping vegetarians. I was a very strict vegetarian for 16 years. I do not eat meat 98% of the time. Vegetarian is great.
You totally miss the point, which is that just because you choose not to eat meat does not mean you aren't willingly
contributing to the suffering and death of billions of creatures through your own life choices. You are. Deal with it.
...you feel the need to erode ethical positions by means of a stratified moral relativism.
The whole discussion, from a vegetarian activist viewpoint is about moral relativism.
Thrasymachus wrote: ...real carnivores who kill for food, show behavior diametrically opposite to humans in their hunting strategy. When a carnivore hunts they tend to given a choice, always prey on the weak, the diseased the dumb in a herd or population, since they are easier to catch and kill.
That is simply not true. That's some kind of fantasy. Cats catch very healthy mice. Carnivores eat and catch whatever they can and that is often due to the ability to outrun their prey, or to spot prey that is not well camouflaged. By the way, primates tend to be smarter than chickens, pigs and cows.
Thrasymachus wrote: When humans hunts they use tools, even the simpler ones like spears and bow and arrow allow distance. When humans hunt, unlike carnivores, they target the largest specimens, the most viral and healthy.
Yeah, so what? We also waer clothes and use eating utensils and draw pictures. We do a lot of things differently than other animals
. And that is something you seem to forget. We are humans, and while Buddhism separates humans and animals into different realms (for a particular purpose), the fact is we are
also animals. And animals catch food in a variety of ways. You can't blame a tiger because he doesn't spin a web like a spider.
I have responded to your statements.
I am still waiting for your response to my questions:
Since you believe that it is somehow morally wrong for a human to kill and eat meat or eat meat that has already been killed,
Is it somehow morally wrong for lions, wolves, owls, crocodiles, sharks, spiders and other carnivores to kill and eat meat?
Is it somehow morally wrong for vultures and jackals and hyenas, to eat meat that other animals have already killed?The foundation of your argument is that since humans have the capacity to choose not to kill animals and eat meat,
then since killing animals causes suffering, and eating meat encourages killing animals, therefore humans who claim to be compassionate are obliged to make that choice and not kill or eat meat, otherwise they are being hypocritical.
My suggestion is that it isn't really about the suffering of living creatures at all, but it's just your own guilt trip that you have imposed on yourself. We are humans and we are also animals, and like it or not, that means we get to pick and choose. For decades Pe
ta has sent out millions of mailings with literature full of pictures of animal cruelty. But what about all the gelatin (from hooves) used to take those films and photos? What about all the glue from animal bones that sealed all those envelopes? What about the uncountable billions of creatures who died when the trees were cut down to make that paper? You see, even self-righteous vegetarians willingly judge
who will suffer and be killed and for what purpose!
But you don't think about all those tiny bugs and things becase it just isn't as emotionally gripping as the sad eyes of a penned up veal calf, snatched from it's mother's udder at infancy, waiting in a filthy dark box until it's short life is ended by the steel blade which swings like an executioner's axe over the killing pit. Boo hoo hoo
. This smug, all-superior attitude is just a big ego trip. But in fact, you are just as guilty as the rest of us. The only difference is that your guilt isn't served up to you on a bun with onions and ketchup.
I admit my guilt. I know I am not perfect. And I also know I have my own head trips I need to cut through, which is why try to I practice the teachings of the Buddha. He didn't say to cop some big attitude. He said don't kill. I don't kill anything if I can help it. If meat is served I will eat it. If that impacts the broader economic picture
and somehow contributes to the next animal getting killed, then that is the level at which you and I share responsibility, because you contribute to that picture as well. You just don't admit it.