m0rl0ck wrote:Maybe, could be that science is just a collective agreed upon system of samsaric delusion. It does make the delusion seem a little more systematic and comforting tho
Yes, exactly. The collective agreement is what convinces most of us that our ordinary experiences are real.
If I'm holding an apple, there is no ambiguity. It is possible to tell exactly what I'm holding by examining it closely. Every person who looks at it will agree that it's an apple. It's not like the meaning of a poem, which is open to interpretation or the position of a quantum particle, which is always ambiguous.
Few things would undermine my sense of reality than that collective agreement disappearing. If I held up an apple and said to some people, "Look! It's an apple," and then one person replied, "What are you talking about? You're holding a pig," and then the next person said, "No, you're both crazy. He's clearly holding an Elvis action figure," that would be quite unsettling.
But enough about apples and back to hell (out of the bushel and into the fire?).
I guess for the concept of location to even matter, one has to have a body of some sort. So what kind of body does one have when one is in hell? A human body? A body of some of other biological animal/being? A body made of light or something nonmaterial, which could very crudely be called an "astral body"?
Can what Buddhists refer to as hell be experienced while we are still humans, animals, gods, demi-gods, or ghosts (because it's a mental state independent of the type of body that mind currently inhabits? Or does experiencing the mental state of hell require some sort of "Hell-creature" body?
shel wrote:I guess it's not clear what a "huge" period of time is, or how and why a sentient being could be kind of frozen in a state of immense torturous suffering. And if a sentient being were frozen in this condition, indeed, they would be frozen and all but dead. Likewise, a sentient being could be frozen in a state of bliss and be all but dead.
What kind of being are you thinking about being "frozen" like this? One with a body, or some kind of disembodied mind in a formless realm?