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Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

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Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

Postby fijiNut » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:43 pm

How does one distinguish between the two states of mind?

The former leads to letting go and represents progress on the path, the latter leads to craving and clinging which is regress.

Is it easy to mistake either one for the other?
What are the characteristics of the states of mind when one has dispassion/revulsion?

I would appreciate your feedback and personal (meditative) experience.

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Re: Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

Postby Alex123 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:11 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:24 pm

I would have thought the title should have been Dispassion v Revulsion/Aversion.

I think the way to tell the difference is that dispassion leads to equanimity and peace wheras Revulsion/Aversion leads to more Revulsion/Aversion and therefore more dukkha.

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Re: Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

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Re: Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:26 am

I think the difference between depression and revulsion boils down to a few important aspects:

1) depression is an illness, revulsion ('nibbida') is not;
2) depression is a 'rolling in sadness'; revulsion is a smooth (samadhi should not be disturbed) focus on the drawbacks of phenomena (not personal loss of people/profit/life etc)
3) depression is destructive, revulsion is productive- it leads to dispassion ('viraga') and eventually on to attainment of stream entry (in the first vipassana 'cycle').
4) depression is unpleasant; revulsion is ..not that unpleasant ;)
5) depression is caused by inability to find a healthy coping mechanism to a life problem(s), while revulsion is caused by the development of successive insights, culminating in stream entry
6) depression causes loss of function (inability to do anything that they would otherwise do), revulsion does not lead to loss of function- it is a temporary dip in mood caused by really understanding something (it is an appropriate reaction to the perceived insight).
7) depression is a misfortune, revulsion is a auspicious sign -that insight is developing well, and that you have reached a point of no return in your journey to stream entry.
8) depression is 'just unhappiness', revulsion is a positive sign that something is going right in your vipassana
9) depresion is quite useless, revulsion is extremely useful in inserting insight deep into your subconscious so that they are not lost.
10) depression is a waste of time, revulsion is the most useful use of time of all 'negative' moods.
11) depression weakens you as a person, revulsion strengthen you as a person (to face hardship)
12) depression is akusala (unwholesome karma), revulsion is kusala (wholesome karma)
13) depression makes a person think negatively of themselves, revulsion does not.
14) depression causes a person more likely to become depressed again in the future, revulsion makes you more likely to attain insight easily again, if you have stopped your vipassana temporarlily.
15) depression leads you to have aversion towards life, revulsion cause you to become detached (or a better expression 'non-attached) from life.
16) depresion leads you nowhere, revulsion leads you 'upwards' ('opanaiko') - one of the qualities of the dhamma.
17) depression leaves you with nothing, revulsion leaves you with insight
18) depression is unpleasant, revlusion is accompanied by samadhi- so it is not entirely unpleasant
19) depression is a hiding of the Truth, revulsion is a revelation of the truth

Hope that clarifies,

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Re: Dispassion/Revulsion v Depression

Postby fijiNut » Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:26 am

Sadhu! Well explained, thank you RYB and other dhamma friends.
Your postings have helped immensely.

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