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the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Cloud » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:56 pm

I would be interested to find out what the new "American" tradition "Against the Stream" teaches.
http://againstthestream.org/

In fact interested enough that I just sent them an e-mail. They only mentioned the Four Noble Truths on the "our tradition" page, but if that's it (combined with meditation), it'd be close enough. :)

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Postby kirk5a » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:33 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:25 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Aloka » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:37 pm

Life isn't one endless round of relentless suffering,... at least for myself, however. Sure I've had some stress and suffering in the past, but still I've had lots of happiness and pleasure in the simple things in my life such as, for example, the sound of a little robin singing in my garden early in the mornings,together with a peaceful mind at the start of the day. Yes these things are impermanent - but I can still relax and enjoy them in the present moment, without dwelling on negativities all the time. Seems like a total waste of potential to be constantly speculating about the possibility of aeons of suffering. Better to be positive in the here and now, do what we can to help others when situations arise...and meditate !
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:42 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:17 am

Hello Mike, Aloka, Clw, all,

Mike, I agree. If life was not all that bad, then there wouldn't be that much reason to get out of it and of Buddha showing us how to do it.
If we all would be guaranteed an escape when this body would die, then it would not be necessary to practice - anyone would achieve parinibbāna anyway.
If one wanted to experience weird experiences, one wouldn't need Dhamma for that - legal and illegal ways could do it much quicker.

With metta,

Alex
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby alan » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:59 am

Well said, Mike. After 82 pages I'm of the opinion that nothing else is left to talk about.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."


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