Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 23, 2012 5:50 pm





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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Wed May 23, 2012 7:14 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 23, 2012 7:22 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Wed May 23, 2012 7:43 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Wed May 23, 2012 9:48 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Wed May 23, 2012 10:05 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Norwegian » Wed May 23, 2012 11:11 pm

Conservative Party of Norway have now just received the best poll results since 1909, and the populist/conservative liberalist party Progress Party had a slight reduction in same poll. However, both parties have in recent time openly discussed in media that it's likely that they may join forces in upcoming election to form a coalition government, an idea that not too long ago would've been rejected by both parties.

Whether they will receive enough votes to do that is a different story. But, the Socialist Left party and Labour Party have been heavily criticized here lately (these two plus Centre Party form current coalition government). Not only due to poor politics, but also due to corruption scandals one after another.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:59 pm

Well people, here are the final results for yesterday’s election here in sunny Greece:

New Democracy (Nea Dimokratia) 129 seats (includes the 50 seats bonus for taking the largest percentage of the vote) 29.66%
Union of Radical Left (Si.Riz.A) 71 seats 26.89%
Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement (Pa.So.K) 33 seats 12.28%
Independent Greeks (Aneksartiti Ellines) 20 seats 7.51%
Golden Dawn (Hrisi Avgi) 18 seats 6.92%
Democratic Left (Dimokratiki Aristera) 17 seats 6.26%
Communist Party of Greece (K.K.E.) 12 seats 4.5%
5.98% went to the remaining 7 parties
0.99% of the votes cast were invalid or intentionally left blank

And the winners, with 37.53%, were the 3,734,974 registered voters that did not bother voting!

New Democracy and PaSoK, being the two parties that have ruled Greece (read sucked Greece dry) interchangeably since 1975 are busily sharing out Ministries amongst themselves. Together they have 159 of the 300 seats available. It looks like Dimokratiki Aristera will also vie for a piece of the pie and share power with the other two parties. I imagine it depends on what positions are offered to them. The leader of Dimokratiki Aristera, Fotis Kouvelis, was a member of the Si.Riz.A but left when they did not give him the presidency of the union. If he enters into negotiations with New Democracy and PaSoK (the two parties which, along with the support of the party Popular Orthodox Rally (La.O.S.), voted in favor of the neo-liberal memorandum which has destroyed Greece) he will lose many supporters from within his party, many of which will probably return to Si.Riz.A.

So how long will this government last? Depends on if they continue to apply the memorandums or not. Both New Democracy and PaSoK promised their voters that they would renegotiate the terms of the memorandum. The question is will the IMF and the German government accept a renegotiation? Unlikely!

This cartoon from the Spanish press sums up the situation perfectly:
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:22 pm

Greece was in Europa before the European Union, Greece will remain in Europa after the European Union ... European Union is only the world's finance rules. EU of/for peoples is still to be elaborated ...

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Nemo » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:19 pm

I wish Greece would have defaulted and switched back to the drachma. Sure the first two to three years of trouble, but then the majority of defaulters are doing much better than those strangled under debt.

It was what I think the corrupt investors needed. Greece made the mistake of giving them time to scurry away and find some other way to exploit people without working. Now they are driving up the prices of essential commodities like food and fuel.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Indrajala » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:26 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Nemo » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:51 pm

Obama is the perfect example of how the myth of Democracy keeps people from revolting against the system. More right wing than Reagan, he accepts more from Goldman Sachs than any other candidate. The Dems, who are the voice of the left, take more from Wall Street than the Republicans. Try to vote against the banks. You can't.

The only thing that works is grass roots revolt that is so loud the people the elites put in power have to listen. Violence has to be avoided as that allows them to use the massive police state apparatus to crush anyone who speaks the truth.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:29 pm

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Note that the thug with the Golden Dawn t-shirt is holding a wooden club and the officer is just casually sitting by! No problem! He's one of us!
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .


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