Curious Treasury ...

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby muni » Wed May 23, 2012 8:19 am

Conceptual mind sees not clear and can use warnings.

There is clinging to emptinesses which is so dangerous. in such compassion is not. In clinging to solidnesses with characteristics is misperception only. Such examples are not revealing nature but are harmful is said.
Guru Rinpoche also warned for many such mistakes in different ways. All examples given are influencing when awareness is not looking to itself.

All free appearing movements cannot harm since empty mind is not caught in them, is said. But that is nondual nature. (guided by Dharmakaya)


Nondual, that is not revealed by conceptual mind.

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Dronma » Wed May 23, 2012 4:37 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby White Lotus » Wed May 23, 2012 4:46 pm

thank you Sonam.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 23, 2012 4:57 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sally Gross » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:32 pm

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sönam » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:46 pm

I could accept those allegations in the context of the sutras and the teachings about accumulations, what I had more difficulties to admit is when it comes from Master Longchen Rabjam, and even more when it comes from one of his treasuries ... but Malcom did answer to my astonishement : "Man ngag mdzod is not about Dzogchen specifically niether is the grub tha' mdzod or the yid bzhin mdzod. Only the other four. "

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sally Gross » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby kalden yungdrung » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:48 pm

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Wesley1982 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:10 pm

Maybe he is simply pointing the finger at what he sees is wrong?..

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sönam » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:25 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby heart » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:39 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby heart » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:48 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sönam » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:25 am

It is not Dzogchen samayas, but Mahayana's ones ... this what surprized me from Longchen Rabjam

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby muni » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:09 am

Longchen Rabjampa very clearly knew charcoal turns not into gold.

When understanding is, there is nothing to add and nothing to say. So is me told. The talk is but through COMPASSION. A master talks in order to help beings by their possibilities, not to show what he (the master) understand.

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby heart » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:35 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby Sally Gross » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:38 pm

Dukkham eva hi, na koci dukkhito,
kaarako na, kiriyaa va vijjati,
atthi nibbuti, na nibbuto pumaa,
maggam atthi, gamako na vijjati


Suffering there certainly is, but no sufferer,
no doer, though certainly the deed is found.
peace is achieved, but no-one's appeased,
the way is walked, but no walker's to be found.

- Visuddhimagga XVI, 90

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:06 am

The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Curious Treasury ...

Postby xylem » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:29 am

i don't think this is overly puzzling. there are teachings that are definitive and teach directly about the ultimate truth. then there are teachings that are provisional and teach at the relative level. what is definitive and what is provisional depends upon the tradition and the level of teachings. here longchenpa is clearly teaching on the relative level, giving practical advice for disciples on the path who have not totally integrated the view and who may be overwhelmed by some appearances. -xy


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