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Psychology beyond the Brain

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Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Nibbida » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:50 pm

This is a short Scientific American article relevant to a recent discussion about citta:

"Arguing for the importance of the brain in psychology is like arguing for the importance of money in economics. More surprising, however, is the role of the entire body in psychology and the capacity for body parts inside and out to influence and regulate the most intimate operations of emotional and social life."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... e-of-heart


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Here's a more lengthy, scientific publication, "The polyvagal perspective" by Stephen W. Porges:

http://apsychoserver.psychofizz.psych.a ... y_2007.pdf

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:18 pm

Very interesting, and recommended reading for anyone who holds a solipsistic view of us as "minds" in an illusory platonic landscape.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Rui Sousa » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:12 am

Very interesting indeed.

I have recently observed a significant change in one of my dogs behaviour, she had her ovary removed and she changed her interaction and behaviour considerably. We are entities of body and mind, even if the mind oversees all phenomena the body also influences what the mind experiences.

Even the food we eat changes our moods, feelings and perceptions.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:45 am

This sort of thought is why I like the Sautrantika theories relating the entirety of rupa to mind, over those who only give a single physical basis (eg. the later Theravadins). And also why I think that why - though not appearing in Buddhism until quite some time later - theories on cakras and the relationship to mind and mental states, is actually very informative to say the least.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:07 pm

I was in agreement until your last sentence Ven Huifeng....I don think the the Chakra concept adds anything essential.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby kirk5a » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:24 pm

The role of the entire body in psychology is "surprising" to those who are very thought and head centered. Some experience of the chakra centers, or "chi" is very helpful in attaining balance for an unbalanced body. Speaking from experience myself in that regard.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Rui Sousa » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:43 pm

I do find chakras and energetic flows on the body to be more than informative, but not as mystical as in some Yogic traditions (as far as I have been informed). To me forcing energy to flow through the body seems to have a repairing effect on the body, and a calming effect on the mind.

But I am not sure who is the commander, the mind or the energy. I guess the mind triggers the energy flow, and can concentrate energy in specific points of the body, then that feedbacks to the mind by calming it.

Nothing essential, but interesting.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:56 am

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:52 am

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:09 am

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:03 pm

Ok... If ever I need a Mahayana view of the Theravada I will know where to come.
In the meantime I will stick to what I have been taught ..thank you.
Which does not involve itself with chakras or other hypothetical processes, nor does it seek to establsh an entity to be first developed and then laid aside.
Of course the Theravada way is through the Eightfold Path which is itself a means of paring down and focusing experience and our reaction to it to where it arises.
I realise it cant be easy maintaing a Zen presence on ZFI and a Theravadin one here...
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:36 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:44 pm

I am not....why are you being defensive on his behalf ?
If you doubt my reply btw, try raising the sibject of "chakras" at your next Goenka ( or any other Vipassana ) retreat.
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby bodom » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:45 pm

:focus:

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:02 am

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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby Individual » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:51 pm

I'm interested in knowing: if there are mental states which are independent of physical states, then on what basis are they subject to change?
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Re: Psychology beyond the Brain

Postby kirk5a » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:51 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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